> I guess I'm this list's Torque proponent. well, you're not the only one, brian. :) i've been just getting into torque lately and i think it might fit very well into jason's goals. unfortunately I haven't hat *that* much experience with it yet, but i'm enjoying what i've done so far. -e --------------------- To unsubscribe go to http://gameprogrammer.com/mailinglist.html