[bksvol-discuss] Re: a question on the last days of dogtown

Hi, Patti. A good rule of thumb to remember when validating is that if whole 
words or parts of sentences are missing and you have to guess, it's probably 
not a good idea to do that. We're supposed to validate the books, and by all 
means, fix what we find if we're absolutely sure what it's supposed to be, 
but when we start guessing, we run the risk of changing the text of the book 
and that's certainly not what we're supposed to do. You seem to be new on 
the list, and I wanted to take this opportunity while I'm writing to welcome 
you here. I got bumped off the list not long ago, probably because I was 
bouncing at some point last month, but I never knew because I was still 
getting messages for a while on the list, so I never saw you join. I hope 
you're enjoying being a part of this community. Everyone here is helpful. 
Take care.
Julie Morales
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "patti" <plcdoula@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 7:45 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: a question on the last days of dogtown


Hi Cindy and all:  I'm reading it on the braillenote. Perhaps when I started
fixing things, it saved it as a keyword file, then some of it turned to
garbage.  I was just systematically fixing what I could, as an editor would;
I'm not going to do that anymore.  It's time-consuming, and if it messes up
the book in the long run, it's not worth it.  I think Amber should contact
Gustapo and ask him to change the rating, explaining the circumstances, if
he's not reading about it, and go on from here.

I guess when I see the quality of what I get from nls opposed to the quality
from bookshare, well, let's just say, there's a difference.  In most cases,
it's not enough of a difference, that, if I wanted to read the book bad
enough, I'd read it, but not letter or word quality.

Here's a perfect example; a book I rejected, Home Front, by Patti Davis.  I
couldn't tell you what it was rated as originally because I just don't
remember; but it was virtually unreadable in parts.  I'm a pretty good
guesser of words or even parts of sentences by context and can fix it; but I
would have really had to work at that one, and in many instances, I would
have been guessing; and in some instances, I couldn't have figured it out.

So, from here on out, I'll validate--pertinent info, overall quality--and
leave it at that.  I'm not experienced enough to know what should be fixed
and what should be left alone.  I'd make a good proofreader because I've
always been an excellent braille reader, and I pick up mistakes in lots of
books and wonder why they weren't caught.

I'm sorry I hurt Amber's feelings, and I'm sorry I stirred up such a
hornet's nest.  I've learned valuable things, and I think the bookshare
project is wonderful, so I'll continue doing what I'm doing.  Patti


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 7:25 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: a question on the last days of dogtown


> Patti,
>
> I'm curious. Which program are you using to read the
> book? I see it's available in  BRF and Daisy. I don't
> know what Amber did it on; Scott apparently is reading
> it on ist Braillenote. I know you said you're reading
> it in Braille, but is it a Braille note? Maybe
> something else doesn't read it as well. Can you, or
> can someone, download the Daisy version, which I
> understand can be converted to HTML for reading
> purposes as well as being heard.
>
> I guess it's silly to spend so much time on this, but
> as I said to Mike, an unresolved question won't let me
> rest until I can find an explanation. (smile)
>
> Cindy
>
> --- Scott Blanks <scottsjb@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> I downloaded this book from the collection, placed
>> it on my flash card, and
>> am currently reading it on my Braillenote. I don't
>> yet see any problems.
>>
>> I have checked about 30 different pages throughout
>> the book to this point.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 5:22 PM
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: a question on the last
>> days of dogtown
>>
>>
>> > But let's remember that if a book in the
>> collection
>> > is, for whatever reason, only Fair, it can be put
>> on
>> > the download list to be re-validated. If something
>> > mangled Amber's submitted copy, and the one in the
>> > collection truly is now only Fair, it can be put
>> back
>> > on the download list by Gustavo, and she can
>> download
>> > it and approve and upload her Excellent copy. It
>> will
>> > be interesting to see what Sue finds out. It may
>> just
>> > be, as has been suggested that the BRF copy got
>> messed
>> > up somehow. Maybe the other copy will translate to
>> BRF
>> > okay.
>> >
>> > Let's hope.
>> >
>> > Cindy
>> >
>> > --- Mike Pietruk <pietruk@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >
>> >> PPatti
>> >>
>> >> Sue will be reading not validating the book for
>> once
>> >> validated and added
>> >> to the collection, there is no revalidation.
>> >>
>> >> Let me say something as both a submitter and
>> >> validator.  Once you have
>> >> been around long enough, you see a lot of things
>> >> happen to your work that
>> >> sometimes can rub one the wrong way.
>> >> As a submitter, I've seen books mangled and
>> refered
>> >> less useful bvy the
>> >> time it entered the collection.
>> >> I've submitted books that, because another person
>> >> also happened to submit
>> >> one at more or less the same time, my got
>> rejected
>> >> even though potentially
>> >> it might have been better.
>> >> The other book got accepted first.
>> >> I have had ratings changed.
>> >> The bottom line, as I see it, is so what!
>> >> It's part of life, and as long as the book makes
>> the
>> >> collection, others
>> >> will benefit be it my copy, someone elses, or
>> >> whether the rating reflects
>> >> the book or not.
>> >> So relax, Patti, move on to your next book and
>> view
>> >> this as a learning
>> >> experience as every validation can be.
>> >> It gets a lot easier as you do more as you learn
>> the
>> >> submitters, the
>> >> tricks of the trade, and a lot more.
>> >>
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