Patti, I just wanted to comment on how nice your message looks. As for stirring up a hornet's nest I think we have all done that. I used to be afraid to post because it seemed all of my posts ended up in what the list calls a ranting session. <smile> Besides, it was Amber's post wondering about her book that started all of this. Sue S. ----- Original Message ----- From: "patti" <plcdoula@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 6:45 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: a question on the last days of dogtown > Hi Cindy and all: I'm reading it on the braillenote. Perhaps when I started > fixing things, it saved it as a keyword file, then some of it turned to > garbage. I was just systematically fixing what I could, as an editor would; > I'm not going to do that anymore. It's time-consuming, and if it messes up > the book in the long run, it's not worth it. I think Amber should contact > Gustapo and ask him to change the rating, explaining the circumstances, if > he's not reading about it, and go on from here. > > I guess when I see the quality of what I get from nls opposed to the quality > from bookshare, well, let's just say, there's a difference. In most cases, > it's not enough of a difference, that, if I wanted to read the book bad > enough, I'd read it, but not letter or word quality. > > Here's a perfect example; a book I rejected, Home Front, by Patti Davis. I > couldn't tell you what it was rated as originally because I just don't > remember; but it was virtually unreadable in parts. I'm a pretty good > guesser of words or even parts of sentences by context and can fix it; but I > would have really had to work at that one, and in many instances, I would > have been guessing; and in some instances, I couldn't have figured it out. > > So, from here on out, I'll validate--pertinent info, overall quality--and > leave it at that. I'm not experienced enough to know what should be fixed > and what should be left alone. I'd make a good proofreader because I've > always been an excellent braille reader, and I pick up mistakes in lots of > books and wonder why they weren't caught. > > I'm sorry I hurt Amber's feelings, and I'm sorry I stirred up such a > hornet's nest. I've learned valuable things, and I think the bookshare > project is wonderful, so I'll continue doing what I'm doing. Patti > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 7:25 PM > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: a question on the last days of dogtown > > > > Patti, > > > > I'm curious. Which program are you using to read the > > book? I see it's available in BRF and Daisy. I don't > > know what Amber did it on; Scott apparently is reading > > it on ist Braillenote. I know you said you're reading > > it in Braille, but is it a Braille note? Maybe > > something else doesn't read it as well. Can you, or > > can someone, download the Daisy version, which I > > understand can be converted to HTML for reading > > purposes as well as being heard. > > > > I guess it's silly to spend so much time on this, but > > as I said to Mike, an unresolved question won't let me > > rest until I can find an explanation. (smile) > > > > Cindy > > > > --- Scott Blanks <scottsjb@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > >> I downloaded this book from the collection, placed > >> it on my flash card, and > >> am currently reading it on my Braillenote. I don't > >> yet see any problems. > >> > >> I have checked about 30 different pages throughout > >> the book to this point. > >> > >> Scott > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx> > >> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 5:22 PM > >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: a question on the last > >> days of dogtown > >> > >> > >> > But let's remember that if a book in the > >> collection > >> > is, for whatever reason, only Fair, it can be put > >> on > >> > the download list to be re-validated. If something > >> > mangled Amber's submitted copy, and the one in the > >> > collection truly is now only Fair, it can be put > >> back > >> > on the download list by Gustavo, and she can > >> download > >> > it and approve and upload her Excellent copy. It > >> will > >> > be interesting to see what Sue finds out. It may > >> just > >> > be, as has been suggested that the BRF copy got > >> messed > >> > up somehow. Maybe the other copy will translate to > >> BRF > >> > okay. > >> > > >> > Let's hope. > >> > > >> > Cindy > >> > > >> > --- Mike Pietruk <pietruk@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> > > >> >> PPatti > >> >> > >> >> Sue will be reading not validating the book for > >> once > >> >> validated and added > >> >> to the collection, there is no revalidation. > >> >> > >> >> Let me say something as both a submitter and > >> >> validator. Once you have > >> >> been around long enough, you see a lot of things > >> >> happen to your work that > >> >> sometimes can rub one the wrong way. > >> >> As a submitter, I've seen books mangled and > >> refered > >> >> less useful bvy the > >> >> time it entered the collection. > >> >> I've submitted books that, because another person > >> >> also happened to submit > >> >> one at more or less the same time, my got > >> rejected > >> >> even though potentially > >> >> it might have been better. > >> >> The other book got accepted first. > >> >> I have had ratings changed. > >> >> The bottom line, as I see it, is so what! > >> >> It's part of life, and as long as the book makes > >> the > >> >> collection, others > >> >> will benefit be it my copy, someone elses, or > >> >> whether the rating reflects > >> >> the book or not. > >> >> So relax, Patti, move on to your next book and > >> view > >> >> this as a learning > >> >> experience as every validation can be. > >> >> It gets a lot easier as you do more as you learn > >> the > >> >> submitters, the > >> >> tricks of the trade, and a lot more. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email > >> to > >> >> bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> >> put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the > >> subject > >> >> line. 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