[access-uk] Re: Jaws V 8.0

Hi Barry,

Your point on operating systems being a slightly different animal is well 
made, though I dare say a lot of Apple Mac users would strongly disagree 
with you. I know that because Windows is by far the most used OS it is a 
much greater target for hackers, but I think most people would agree that 
from a purely security point of view, Mac OS is way ahead.

I also agree with your point about self-education, but I feel therein lies 
the crux of the problem.

Most blind people, myself included, are on a fixed and relatively low 
income. Once we've spent what to us is a great deal of money on a screen 
reader, we can't afford, nor get reasonable access to, the training needed 
to get the most out of what is essentially an extremely powerful piece of 
software. So we sit down and RTFM and get by the best we can. Commendably, 
some people reach a very high level of competence, but I suspect the 
majority are left floundering.

I know from some of the contributions that you have made to this list that 
this is not the case for you, and I know that you are indeed very computer 
savvy, but sadly, without quality training, this is not true for the 
majority.

Whenever a new version of JAWS is released, this list and the JAWS UK list 
is flooded with complaints. The majority of these are sorted by some very 
good and competent people, who advise the people what changes to make in 
JAWS to sort the problem. What I'm trying to say here is that a lot of the 
time, JAWS is not the problem, but a lack of understanding for the reasons 
outlined above.

If your opinion of JAWS 8 is that it is crap, then I sincerely respect that. 
I haven't downloaded it yet, so can't comment. And I have the utmost respect 
and admiration for any blind person trying to get by in what is basically a 
graphical environment which was basically designed to exclude them. Which is 
probably why I fiercely - and probably sometimes over-zealously - jump to 
the defence of products like JAWS, which at least gives us all a good level 
of access to this technology.

Apologies to all for such a long post.

God bless FS, you know where to send the cheque!

Regards,

Brian.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dj Paddy" <mygroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 11:41 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Jaws V 8.0


> You're never going to get an OS without bugs.
>
> XP was a disaster when it was released and right up to SP2.  I think
> Microsoft would even admit they messed up.
>
> Vista has had a lot more work done to it, and it has been tested more at
> hacker conventions.
>
> It's not always the manufacturers fault an OS is unstable btw.  What about
> all the people who don't use AV or keep it up to date, firewalls, don't
> implament privacy policy's don't educate themselves beyond point and click
> and chat rooms?
>
> Ðà
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Brian Booth" <bp.booth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 10:48 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Jaws V 8.0
>
>
> Hi Barry,
>
> How old is Windows XP now? How many critical updates are Microsoft still
> putting out each month?
>
> Should we have stayed with Windows 98 till all the bugs were ironed out?
>
> Seems to me like FS is doing quite a good job by comparison, and probably 
> on
> about a hundredth of the budget.
>
> Regards,
>
> Brian.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dj Paddy" <mygroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 9:25 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Jaws V 8.0
>
>
>> Vista will be out January 30.
>>
>> The Gold Disc was released on November 8, and the MSDN guys and Corporate
>> customers will have it if not now then by the end of this month.
>>
>> The main reason January 30 is set for consumers is because of driver
>> compatibilitys with current hardware.  To give the hardware vendors a
>> window
>> to update their drivers.
>>
>> My reason for calling it a disaster is that it's not moving forward. 
>> It's
>> not adding any real, everyday functionality, I didnt' see anything about
>> Office 2007, SAPI Alia's?
>>
>> coem on.  Able to switch the voice ont he fly when reading text?
>>
>> That's not screen and application access, that's just a bit of fancy
>> reading
>> scripting.
>>
>> I  to was once int he comfort zone of Jaws and occasionally go back.  Old
>> habits die hard.
>>
>> Dj Paddy
>> Ôà
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "James O'Dell" <jamesodell@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 5:38 PM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Jaws V 8.0
>>
>>
>> Fs haven't committed to making this upgrade vista-compatible, but then at
>> the moment we don't know when vista will be released yet, so that seems
>> reasonable enough to me.  I wonder what level of access to Vista WE users
>> will get for what they have already paid?  JAWS has done a great job for
>> me
>> for the last nine years, I agree that WE is catching up, and is probably
>> ahead in terms of its user interface being far simpler etc, but I see no
>> reason for calling the latest version of JAWS a "disaster".
>>
>> ali, what specific problems are you having with JAWS 8?
>>
>> James
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Dj Paddy" <mygroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 4:30 PM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Jaws V 8.0
>>
>>
>>> Windoweye's is definitly a different animal and I get frustrated when i
>>> don't know how to perform various reading tasks and I just need to get
>>> the
>>> job done.
>>>
>>> However, i feel Windoweye's is the wisest route to go.
>>>
>>> I will spare you all a rant on Jaws.  My comments speak for themselves 
>>> on
>>> my
>>> previous message.
>>>
>>> Dj paddy
>>> Ôà
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Andrew Hodgson" <andrew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 4:23 PM
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Jaws V 8.0
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I like most people am staying away from Jaws 8 and am migrating to
>>> WindowEyes as much as possible.  I am still falling back to the jaws
>>> keystrokes quite a bit, but am getting there.
>>>
>>> Why they released version 8 days after releasing the 7.10 update was a
>>> mystery - they had precious time to do more tests on it, plus make
>>> version
>>> 8
>>> a Vista compatible upgrade!
>>>
>>> Andrew.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Dj Paddy
>>> Sent: Mon 20/11/2006 16:20
>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Jaws V 8.0
>>>
>>> This is shocking.
>>>
>>> I've just been reading the latest disaster and can not believe somebody
>>> is
>>> honestly going to pay for this.
>>>
>>> This thing isn't even supporting Vista for goodness sake!
>>>
>>> And what is all that SAPI Alia's stuff about in say all?
>>>
>>> OMG, that's a new feature?
>>>
>>> More and more nonsense!
>>>
>>> I'm raging because, I like many wasted my money on this rubbish for
>>> years!
>>>
>>> I'm disgusted because, many still will!  Also rehab agency's and that
>>> whole
>>> area will thrust this product on unsuspecting souls.
>>>
>>> Note:  this is a consumers viewpoint and I think it's utter pooh.
>>> Barry
>>> Ôà
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 3:39 PM
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Jaws V 8.0
>>>
>>>
>>> Andrew, for details of JAWS 8 go to:
>>>
>>> http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_products/software_jaws80fea.asp#OS
>>>
>>> From Ray
>>> I can be contacted off-list at:
>>> mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf
>>> Of andrew shipp
>>>
>>> Hi All,  What are the benefits of upgrading to Jaws V 8.0?
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Andrew Shipp
>>>
>>> Located  Northampton Northamptonshire UK
>>>
>>> Home phone...+44]0,1604 517007
>>>
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>>>
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