[access-uk] Re: Jaws V 8.0

Brian,

I feel you have expressed my opinion better than I ever could!

I like Jaws though I know that I don't use it to its full potential.

As far as Version 8 is concerned, I'm going to wait for the CD because I had 
horrendous problems with version 7. I prefer to pay for the upgrades now 
rather than wait and have to pay an enormous amount later on.

Best wishes,

Joan.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brian Booth" <bp.booth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 10:19 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Jaws V 8.0


> Hi Barry,
>
> Your point on operating systems being a slightly different animal is well
> made, though I dare say a lot of Apple Mac users would strongly disagree
> with you. I know that because Windows is by far the most used OS it is a
> much greater target for hackers, but I think most people would agree that
> from a purely security point of view, Mac OS is way ahead.
>
> I also agree with your point about self-education, but I feel therein lies
> the crux of the problem.
>
> Most blind people, myself included, are on a fixed and relatively low
> income. Once we've spent what to us is a great deal of money on a screen
> reader, we can't afford, nor get reasonable access to, the training needed
> to get the most out of what is essentially an extremely powerful piece of
> software. So we sit down and RTFM and get by the best we can. Commendably,
> some people reach a very high level of competence, but I suspect the
> majority are left floundering.
>
> I know from some of the contributions that you have made to this list that
> this is not the case for you, and I know that you are indeed very computer
> savvy, but sadly, without quality training, this is not true for the
> majority.
>
> Whenever a new version of JAWS is released, this list and the JAWS UK list
> is flooded with complaints. The majority of these are sorted by some very
> good and competent people, who advise the people what changes to make in
> JAWS to sort the problem. What I'm trying to say here is that a lot of the
> time, JAWS is not the problem, but a lack of understanding for the reasons
> outlined above.
>
> If your opinion of JAWS 8 is that it is crap, then I sincerely respect 
> that.
> I haven't downloaded it yet, so can't comment. And I have the utmost 
> respect
> and admiration for any blind person trying to get by in what is basically 
> a
> graphical environment which was basically designed to exclude them. Which 
> is
> probably why I fiercely - and probably sometimes over-zealously - jump to
> the defence of products like JAWS, which at least gives us all a good 
> level
> of access to this technology.
>
> Apologies to all for such a long post.
>
> God bless FS, you know where to send the cheque!
>
> Regards,
>
> Brian.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dj Paddy" <mygroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 11:41 AM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Jaws V 8.0
>
>
>> You're never going to get an OS without bugs.
>>
>> XP was a disaster when it was released and right up to SP2.  I think
>> Microsoft would even admit they messed up.
>>
>> Vista has had a lot more work done to it, and it has been tested more at
>> hacker conventions.
>>
>> It's not always the manufacturers fault an OS is unstable btw.  What 
>> about
>> all the people who don't use AV or keep it up to date, firewalls, don't
>> implament privacy policy's don't educate themselves beyond point and 
>> click
>> and chat rooms?
>>
>> Ðà
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Brian Booth" <bp.booth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 10:48 PM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Jaws V 8.0
>>
>>
>> Hi Barry,
>>
>> How old is Windows XP now? How many critical updates are Microsoft still
>> putting out each month?
>>
>> Should we have stayed with Windows 98 till all the bugs were ironed out?
>>
>> Seems to me like FS is doing quite a good job by comparison, and probably
>> on
>> about a hundredth of the budget.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Brian.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Dj Paddy" <mygroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 9:25 PM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Jaws V 8.0
>>
>>
>>> Vista will be out January 30.
>>>
>>> The Gold Disc was released on November 8, and the MSDN guys and 
>>> Corporate
>>> customers will have it if not now then by the end of this month.
>>>
>>> The main reason January 30 is set for consumers is because of driver
>>> compatibilitys with current hardware.  To give the hardware vendors a
>>> window
>>> to update their drivers.
>>>
>>> My reason for calling it a disaster is that it's not moving forward.
>>> It's
>>> not adding any real, everyday functionality, I didnt' see anything about
>>> Office 2007, SAPI Alia's?
>>>
>>> coem on.  Able to switch the voice ont he fly when reading text?
>>>
>>> That's not screen and application access, that's just a bit of fancy
>>> reading
>>> scripting.
>>>
>>> I  to was once int he comfort zone of Jaws and occasionally go back. 
>>> Old
>>> habits die hard.
>>>
>>> Dj Paddy
>>> Ôà
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "James O'Dell" <jamesodell@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 5:38 PM
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Jaws V 8.0
>>>
>>>
>>> Fs haven't committed to making this upgrade vista-compatible, but then 
>>> at
>>> the moment we don't know when vista will be released yet, so that seems
>>> reasonable enough to me.  I wonder what level of access to Vista WE 
>>> users
>>> will get for what they have already paid?  JAWS has done a great job for
>>> me
>>> for the last nine years, I agree that WE is catching up, and is probably
>>> ahead in terms of its user interface being far simpler etc, but I see no
>>> reason for calling the latest version of JAWS a "disaster".
>>>
>>> ali, what specific problems are you having with JAWS 8?
>>>
>>> James
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Dj Paddy" <mygroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 4:30 PM
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Jaws V 8.0
>>>
>>>
>>>> Windoweye's is definitly a different animal and I get frustrated when i
>>>> don't know how to perform various reading tasks and I just need to get
>>>> the
>>>> job done.
>>>>
>>>> However, i feel Windoweye's is the wisest route to go.
>>>>
>>>> I will spare you all a rant on Jaws.  My comments speak for themselves
>>>> on
>>>> my
>>>> previous message.
>>>>
>>>> Dj paddy
>>>> Ôà
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Andrew Hodgson" <andrew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 4:23 PM
>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Jaws V 8.0
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I like most people am staying away from Jaws 8 and am migrating to
>>>> WindowEyes as much as possible.  I am still falling back to the jaws
>>>> keystrokes quite a bit, but am getting there.
>>>>
>>>> Why they released version 8 days after releasing the 7.10 update was a
>>>> mystery - they had precious time to do more tests on it, plus make
>>>> version
>>>> 8
>>>> a Vista compatible upgrade!
>>>>
>>>> Andrew.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Dj Paddy
>>>> Sent: Mon 20/11/2006 16:20
>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Jaws V 8.0
>>>>
>>>> This is shocking.
>>>>
>>>> I've just been reading the latest disaster and can not believe somebody
>>>> is
>>>> honestly going to pay for this.
>>>>
>>>> This thing isn't even supporting Vista for goodness sake!
>>>>
>>>> And what is all that SAPI Alia's stuff about in say all?
>>>>
>>>> OMG, that's a new feature?
>>>>
>>>> More and more nonsense!
>>>>
>>>> I'm raging because, I like many wasted my money on this rubbish for
>>>> years!
>>>>
>>>> I'm disgusted because, many still will!  Also rehab agency's and that
>>>> whole
>>>> area will thrust this product on unsuspecting souls.
>>>>
>>>> Note:  this is a consumers viewpoint and I think it's utter pooh.
>>>> Barry
>>>> Ôà
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 3:39 PM
>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Jaws V 8.0
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Andrew, for details of JAWS 8 go to:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_products/software_jaws80fea.asp#OS
>>>>
>>>> From Ray
>>>> I can be contacted off-list at:
>>>> mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf
>>>> Of andrew shipp
>>>>
>>>> Hi All,  What are the benefits of upgrading to Jaws V 8.0?
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Andrew Shipp
>>>>
>>>> Located  Northampton Northamptonshire UK
>>>>
>>>> Home phone...+44]0,1604 517007
>>>>
>>>> Mobile 07983598287
>>>> Skype name...andyshipp55
>>>>
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>>>> Echolink node 220344
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