It's getting close to Gretch's annual physical time. So I'll certainly have her checked out as thoroughly as possible, but she has been extraordinarily healthy in the past. This morning we went north instead of south, and it was as if yesterday never really happened. It's not windy today and not as hot either. The individual I attempted to contact at my training program is unavailable until next Tuesday, though she might call back sooner. I don't know whether to go back to the scene of the crime or just avoid the area for a few days so nothing negative generalizes. This morning she was confident and nonplussed working through two major signaled crossings, and I clicked and treated and sang Gretch's praises happily at the up curbs. Incidentally, something else happened this afternoon which may possibly help bolster Gretch's overall confidence level. . I had arranged for a ride to the gym at noon because of weather concerns, and while we were out front waiting, Gretch's head went down to the grass, and she ate a dying cicada while it was making those horrid little noises that make my skin crawl. I'm one of those who enjoys being licked, and the Gretchy Girl likes to lick. But I don't know about licking any more. <grin> I'm not sure how much water she has to drink before I can consider her mouth a cicada free environment. Sheila Styron, President Guide Dog Users, Inc. 816-363-3172 sheilastyron@xxxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: vi-clicker-trainers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:vi-clicker-trainers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of metnme2 Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 1:36 PM To: Vi-Clicker Subject: (VICT) Re: Serious issue with Gretch Wow Sheila you have your hands full. Met is also a soft dog and though we have worked absolutely amazingly together I have to admit there are times when I wished he was not so soft. Honestly I would consider a consult with a holistic vet first. The wind issues can often be caused by imbalances in their systems that a regular vet is not trained to notice let alone help equalize. That said- I could not help notice the recurrence of issues that had calmed down from what it sounded like- they also appear to be very common vaccinosis symptoms that I had to deal with as do others who deal with severe vaccinosis- has she been vaccinated again within a few months of any of this starting up again? and if so, with what? It may very well be that the incidents spooked her and her confidence has been dashed as a result but I just felt like I could really see Met and I in what you wrote. Once we got the vaccinosis under control Met's confidence and ability to work well returned again. I had so many people question me about whether Met was too soft a dog to be working or not so I won't even go there- only you and the program can determine that one. But if there is any possibility for an underlying cause that could have set her back like this- been there done that, maybe you can get her some help that will strengthen her bodies weaknesses in the holistic veterinary field... Maybe she was just spooked by circumstances of late but it sure sounded an awful lot like the relapse Met and I went through in 1998 and again in 2001 Karyn and Met