(VICT) Re: Aggression towards People
- From: "DIANNE B. PHELPS AND PRIMROSE" <d.bphelps@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 16:36:47 -0800
I have also been following this thread and should think that if anything,
some desensitization work would be in order with positive reinforcement. I
definitely agree that there is no place for an assistance dog becoming
aggressive and intolerant of people. That is like walking around with a
loaded gun in your pocket.
Dianne and Primrose
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From: "Ridge Euler" <ridge_e@xxxxxxx>
To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 5:23 AM
Subject: (VICT) Re: Aggression towards People
> Roxi, I agree with you about corrections and that kind of training on this
> list is not appropriate.
> I have had three reactive dogs and they all have had to be retired from
> service work. two are just wonderful family pets and the third is being
> trained for drug detection work. corrections make things worse in my
> experience. c/t'ing for wanted behavior is what seems to work best. the
> husband could be doing something to the dog and causing it to generalize
> with all men. there could be a lot of things going on but it just sounds
> like the dog is stressed out and maybe not able to be a guide dog. is she
> owner training or is this dog from a program??
>
> Ridge and Clyde SDiT
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sheila Styron<mailto:sheilastyron@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To:
> vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 9:15 PM
> Subject: (VICT) Re: Aggression towards People
>
>
> Dear Sheronda,
> The situation you are describing is perhaps one of the most difficult of
> all to face as a handler of an assistance dog. This sounds like a case
> involving a handler's love for a dog versus this same handler's
> responsibility to ensure the public's safety with regard to this
> particular dog. I certainly don't claim to know all the details, but it
> is all too easy to make excuses for these dogs and to hold out hope that
> such problems can be solved and the dog can continue working: handlers
> often saying, "But his work is great!" . Dog on dog aggression is a
> serious issue, but a dog that has bitten a person without just cause or
> is giving off definite signs of potentially biting people represents a
> no win prospect for continued service as an assistance dog. Perhaps the
> dog is a good dog, but he or she is simply not suited for guide work. I
> know this sounds harsh, and perhaps I am misinterpreting the nature of
> this dog's behavior. So please consider my words with the understanding
> that I believe you are talking about a dog which may be difficult or
> impossible for a blind handler to read and therefore for this person to
> train, including anyone else for that matter. I am writing this post
> because I have been witness to several handlers walking this difficult
> line which almost always ends up in retiring the dog, the legal
> consequences if the dog bites, not to mention the negative
> ramifications for others in our community are indisputable. If you are
> interested, I would be happy to speak with you or your friend, and
> please excuse my outspokenness if this message is landing somewhere out
> in left field.
>
> Sheila Styron, President
> Guide Dog Users, Inc.
> 816-363-3172
> sheilastyron@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:sheilastyron@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
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> [mailto:vi-clicker-trainers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sharonda
> Greenlaw
> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 2:06 PM
> To:
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> Subject: (VICT) Re: Aggression towards People
>
>
> Kitty and all,
> She has seen this happen mostly towards men; some ladies, but mostly
> men. She has said that the dog also reacts when people--whether men or
> women--look suspicious. This has not always been an issue, but some of
> their environments have been quite stressful.
>
> We have been trying hard to pinpoint times when the aggression seems to
> happen mostly. She goes to a church, where te noise is very loud. It
> sometimes happens after services. We are going to try and remove the dog
> from the loud environment, especially when the noise is high. The
> suspicious people? We don't know what to do. The men? I know she has a
> husband and am not sure how he acts towards the dog at home. Could his
> actions cause a reaction in the dog, when he's not around? You all are
> really a blessing. We both are well aware that agression is not a good
> trait for any dog, but especially a guide dog. We know that prosecution
> could cause this dog to be put down and/or removed from her. We want
> this to be prevented. Thank you so very much.
>
> Sharonda
>
> On 2/4/08, The Pawpower Pack <pawpower@xxxxxxx<mailto:pawpower@xxxxxxx>>
> wrote:
> > As a clicker trainer, I find it very frustrating and a bit
> > discouraging for list members to be suggesting corrections or any kind
>
> > of forced-based training as a solution to a training problem.
> >
> > There are many guide dog and or training lists where discussions of
> > leash corrections are appropriate. I don't think that a clicker list
> > would be that type of environment.
> >
> > Rox and the Kitchen Bitches
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> > it, and every person a mission. This is the Indian theory of
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