[TN-Bird] Re: Eagle Bend Fish Hatchery
- From: kde@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
- To: Michael Todd <birder1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 11:36:53 -0400 (EDT)
Good points. I glossed over 1814 too quickly. Size would be a good
clue in real life. Upper breast is more heavily streaked like a Pec but
doesn't show as strong demarcation... maybe a female? Yellow bill base
should have been the kicker... I missed that. Agreed. Adult Pectoral.
Dean Edwards
Knoxville, TN
On Mon, 12 Aug 2013, Michael Todd wrote:
> Dean/All,
>
> Thanks Dean for taking the time to give some detailed answers! I agree almost
> totally:
>
> On the Dowitcher, I also think Short-billed on bill shape with downward kink
> towards end, very pale coloration below blending to white, and the sparse but
> pretty uniform spotting down down breastsides and flanks. Long-billed lose
> the barring more readily than Short-billed, so that by August they usually
> have markings heaviest at breast sides and very light to absent along flanks.
> Better/additional looks would be nice on this bird though.
>
> 1814 I would call an adult Pectoral, with the long primary extension and
> yellowish bill base.
>
> Good Birding!!
>
> Mike Todd
> McKenzie, TN
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>
>
>
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> From: "kde@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <kde@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: Sharon Monett <sbm4him@xxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: Tennessee Birds <tn-bird@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 9:25 AM
> Subject: [TN-Bird] Re: Eagle Bend Fish Hatchery
>
>
>
> See my notes below...
>
> Dean Edwards
> Knoxville, TN
>
>
> On Mon, 12 Aug 2013, Sharon Monett wrote:
>
> > 1574: Least sandpiper seems to be the consensus.
>
> Correct. Juvenile. Note the fresh plumage and the pattern of the
> scapulars (the feathers just over the folded wing on the back)... black
> center with rusty orange edges and white tips. These white tips on the
> mantle (center part of the back) make two white lines that form a V. The
> white tips are a key point to look for in Least SP, and I will come back
> to that below. Also note the yellow legs which help distinguish Least
> from other peeps... this can be a good point if seen but should not be an
> end-all-be-all field mark... other peeps can rarely have yellowish legs or
> legs covered in yellow-looking mud or Least can have legs covered in dark
> mud, etc. Finally, note how the coverts (small feathers covering the
> wings) and tertials (wing feathers covering the tail) are also dark
> centered with rusty orange edges giving a uniform appearance to the back
> (except for the white spots). Remember this for later.
>
> > 1675: Spotted, maybe winter plumage?
>
> Correct but a juvenile.
>
> > 1688: No guesses yet
>
> Spotted SP. Looks like a molting adult as there appears to be some
> spotting underneath. These guys are IDable in flight from great distance
> by their stiff-winged flight style. Here, note the white wing stripe and
> all dark tail and rump. Also note the white eyering.
>
>
> > 1713: One guess for semipalmated sandpiper, one guess for Least.
>
> Juvenile Least SP. Compare with 1574. yellow legs, scapular pattern,
> etc. Coverts and tertials are more contrasty than in 1574 with buffy
> edges instead of rusty orange but still good for a Least.
>
>
> > 1746: Consensus is Dowitcher; no one so far ventured a guess as to whether
> > it's short-billed or long-billed.
>
> I'm going to go with adult "hendersoni" Short-billed Dowitcher. Note the
> worn state of the feathers clearly indicating an adult, still mostly in
> breeding plumage. The orange wash to the underparts goes all the way to
> the tail (eliminates "griseus" SB Dowitcher but not LB). The spotting up
> top and small chevrons on the flanks (rather than heavy, long bars as for
> LB) and the more slender overall shape (not the "I just swallowed a
> grapefruit" look of a LB) points me to SB.
>
>
> > 1758: Guesses have included Solitary or Yellowlegs. I was thinking Solitary
> > originally.
>
> Juvenile Spotted SP. compare with 1675. Note the back is barred with
> buffy edges to the fresh juvenile feathers, NOT spotted as in Solitary.
> Also note the classic eye ring of a juvenile Spotted... Solitary have
> spectacles with white loral strip (like it's wearing glasses). The
> overall posture is classic Spotted SP. Note how the brown on the neck and
> upper breast a) does not connect in the middle and b) makes a "thumb" that
> sticks down in front of the wing surrounded by white. Finally, look at
> the tail. First, it extends beyond the wingtips as in Spotted and unlike
> Solitary. Second, it is brown. Solitary have a very distinctive tail
> pattern... dark center, white edges with lateral dark stripes. From the
> side on a standing bird, the white with black stripes is very evident.
>
>
> > 1781: Spotted
>
> Correct. Adult in breeding plumage.
>
> > 1814: No guesses given
>
> Adult Least SP. Note the worn, tattered feathers ageing this as an adult
> bird... not the bright, fresh plumage of the juveniles above. Legs are
> yellow, scapulars and coverts have dark center and buffy edges. Overall
> brown appearance with heavy coloration on the upper breast.
>
>
> > 1853: Guesses included Least, Semipalmated and Western. So far, Western
> > seems to be the consensus.
>
> Juvenile Least SP. Compare with above. First, note the fresh plumage so
> this is a juvenile something. The yellow legs are not as obvious here so
> focus on the scapulars, coverts, and tertials and compare with 1574.
> Scapulars are dark centered with rusty orange edges and white tips. You
> can see a bit of the V on the back. Coverts and tertials also have rusty
> orange edging. Also note the heavily streaked upper breast. Western
> should have more reddish color on the scapular edges without the white
> tips and the coverts and tertials have cold, grey edges that contrast with
> the scaps... not the uniform orangey look of a Least.
>
>
> > 1858: Spotted
>
> Correct. Adult in breeding plumage.
>
> > 1969: Consensus is Pectoral
>
> Correct. Adult in breeding plumage. Note the heavy barred upper breast
> that ends sharply. Also note the worn feather edges on the scapulars and
> coverts that help age the bird. Can look similar to Least SP but much
> larger.
>
>
> >
> > For the non-shore birds:
> > 1984: Red-winged blackbirds. Maybe young? Maybe female? Maybe young
> > females? I had previous pictures of female rwbs that didn't seem to look
> > like this (but that was back in the spring, so different plumage, I guess?)
> > so I'd never have guessed that's what these were. Several though
> > meadowlark, which had been my initial thought until I realized the beak was
> > all wrong.
>
> Juvenile RW Blackbirds. At least one looks like a male with red coming
> in on sholder.
>
>
> >
> > 1987: Juvenile Starling. This was actually my initial thought because of
> > the beak. But again, just last week, I was at Eagle Bend and saw a MUCH
> > larger bird that looked TOTALLY different from this one that also turned
> > out to be a juvenile starling, so that threw me. Interesting how quickly,
> > and completely, their plumage can change.
> >
>
> Correct. In heavy molt. Note the "stars" coming in on the chest.
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