[THIN] Re: Looking for your Original/Innovative uses for Citrix for a presentation I am doing
- From: "Mark CALLEJA" <Mark.CALLEJA@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 07:45:07 +0800
If latency is a problem now then it will me much more of a problem if
you decide to deploy apps centrally but locally installed (ie Database
is in central but client is remote). We are using latency as a
justification to move more people onto Citrix. We have one site who is
complaining about an app which takes 48-90 secs to change screens
(40,000 packets), another site which the same transaction takes 7-15mins
- we drop them on the Citrix box and the time drops to 4 seconds.
My two cents
Mk
Mark Calleja
A/Manager Infrastructure Services
Dept Housing and Works
(08) 9222 4941
mark.calleja@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 07/09/2006 01:32 am >>>
Agreed, latency is inherently a problem with interaction sessions,
there
really is no solution to this issue. If the latency can't be fixed
then
local (remote) execution may be a better design solution.
Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453
Scottsdale, AZ 85262
(602) 432-8649
www.thinclient.net
steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Of Jeremy Saunders
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 10:03 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Looking for your Original/Innovative uses for
Citrix for
a presentation I am doing
This is the only Network type issue that Citrix has always had trouble
dealing with, but little else will succeed either. Citrix have
recognised
this and are trying to do something about it with their Orbital
acquisition
they now call the WANScaler. You sould discuss further with Citrix, or
a
reseller that understands more about it. Having said that, the only
real
solution to latency is to change your WAN design or carrier, if
possible,
but I'm sure you've probably been down that path already.
Cheers.
Kind regards,
Jeremy Saunders
Senior Technical Specialist
Infrastructure Technology Services
(ITS) & Cerulean
Global Technology Services (GTS)
IBM Australia
Level 2, 1060 Hay Street
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thin
If you have network issues you should fix those issues first. Network
issues will cause application issues no matter the type of application
or
method you chose to deliver that application. You can't build a
house
without a solid foundation.
On 9/6/06, Joe Shonk <joe.shonk@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
The question is: How do they expect it to work without Citrix at this
point?
Joe
On 9/6/06, Damon Edwards < damonedwards@xxxxxxxxxxx > wrote:
My company is also thinking about replacing Citrix. Not because of
the
cost (never heard of a quote like yours Rob) but because of politics.
Unfortunately we have bandwidth and latency issues to overcome that
have
made our end user experience poor to say the least. This is not a
problem
with the Citrix environment but a problem with the network, however
trying
to explain that to the end user or the business managers doesn't seem
to
work. Fortunately I support other environments as well so I will
still be
employed, I just hate to see good technology thrown out when it was
never
given the proper resources to work correctly.
---- Rob Slayden <rslayden@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> We had 28-32 servers and over 4000 users and for several years we
paid
> about $28K-32K per year. Then we received a bill for about $650K for
SA
> and management said "you gotta' be kidding, right?" We communicated
this
> to Citrix and they were seemingly un-interested in our concern. We
even
> had 2 different large integrators in SoCal (Axcent Technologies and
> Agile 360) try to negotiate with them on our behalf, to no avail.
Then
> about 6 or 8 months ago, we had a project that we were seeking bids
for
> and we had an integrator bring Citrix back in here as they (Citrix)
had
> indicated an interest. All during the meeting they indicated that
they
> wanted to work with us and re-establish themselves as a strategic
> partner and they seemed to indicate that they were going to give us
a
> bit of a break on the SA. Well you can imagine our surprise when the
> "updated" invoice came for the retail SA amount plus an additional
> charge of $30-35K as a late fee.
>
> Thanks for stopping by, but we are so done with that. I think we are
> more interested in developing a long-term strategic partnership with
a
> company that gives a darn about its customers. It just seems to me
that
> with Citrix, it's all about the money. Pony up or beat it. Not that
they
> don't have a decent product, but there's more to a company than
simply
> the software technology. Look at Microsoft; they will bend over
> backwards to help you out, including bringing in partners on MS
credit.
> Citrix? Need support? Talk to our resellers; don't bug us, we're
busy
> counting our dough. I am sure there are some great success stories
out
> there and of course, if it wasn't for Citrix, many of those on this
list
> would not be gainfully employed supporting the Citrix technology, but
it
> just seems to me that Citrix is turning their backs on their
customers
> and placing their allegiance in the all-mighty dollar. We shall see
what
> outcome this produces for them in the long-term...
>
> rob
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
> Behalf Of Steve Greenberg
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 3:20 PM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Looking for your Original/Innovative uses for
Citrix
> for a presentation I am doing
>
>
>
> Did they try to charge you more than you would have paid if you had
> stayed current? To me that should be absolute max they charge......
>
>
>
> Steve Greenberg
>
> Thin Client Computing
>
> 34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453
>
> Scottsdale, AZ 85262
>
> (602) 432-8649
>
> www.thinclient.net
>
> steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
> Behalf Of Rob Slayden
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 12:13 PM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Looking for your Original/Innovative uses for
Citrix
> for a presentation I am doing
>
>
>
> Actually, that's not it at all. For what we do, publish Internet
> Explorer, it works fine (110 users per DL360 server, not even
breaking a
> sweat). We just have a bad taste left over from the SA extortion
attempt
> and subsequent meetings with Citrix to "address" our concerns that
> resulted in invoices from Citrix with original SA pricing INCLUDING
late
> fees. I'm done with them. More power to those that continue using
> Citrix...
>
>
>
> rob
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ]
On
> Behalf Of Steve Greenberg
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 12:25 PM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Looking for your Original/Innovative uses for
Citrix
> for a presentation I am doing
>
> We come across this regularly with clients that have less than ideal
> Citrix implementations in the past (not provided by us!). We usually
> come in and refresh the software and create an updated design, and
in
> the process, use a new naming convention that takes away the word
> "Citrix" from the project. Once we do that we have a very high level
of
> satisfaction.
>
>
>
> PS- I see that you are running XP- no wonder they aren't happy!!
>
>
>
> Steve Greenberg
>
> Thin Client Computing
>
> 34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453
>
> Scottsdale, AZ 85262
>
> (602) 432-8649
>
> www.thinclient.net
>
> steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
> Behalf Of Rob Slayden
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 11:59 AM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Looking for your Original/Innovative uses for
Citrix
> for a presentation I am doing
>
>
>
> Actually, we are looking at potentially yanking Citrix out
completely
> and going with PMF or pure Terminal Services. Citrix is not highly
> regarded in these parts...
>
>
>
> rob
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
> Behalf Of Steve Greenberg
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 11:01 AM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Looking for your Original/Innovative uses for
Citrix
> for a presentation I am doing
>
> Rob,
>
>
>
> Probably not what you are looking for, but if you upgrade to PS4 you
can
> use policies to automatically assign session printers based on the
> subnet of each club......
>
>
>
> Steve Greenberg
>
> Thin Client Computing
>
> 34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453
>
> Scottsdale, AZ 85262
>
> (602) 432-8649
>
> www.thinclient.net
>
> steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
> Behalf Of Rob Slayden
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 10:32 AM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Looking for your Original/Innovative uses for
Citrix
> for a presentation I am doing
>
>
>
> Matthew,
>
>
>
> I'd be very interested to hear some specifics regarding how you are
> accomplishing this as we modify a mandatory profile to change
network
> printer configurations and when we build a club profile, we manually
add
> the club's network printers. We have 380+ fitness clubs and we have
> Windows TCP/IP printers at each one. We run those queues on Server
2003
> File and Print servers in the data center. We use a single mandatory
> profile for each club, which is used by anywhere from 8-18 users.
Works
> great but simplifying the network printer piece would be a plus.
Note
> that we run MF XPe 1.0 FR4/SP4 on Server 2003 on the back-end.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> rob
>
> 24 Hour Fitness, Inc.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
> Behalf Of Matthew Shrewsbury
> Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 5:27 AM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Looking for your Original/Innovative uses for
Citrix
> for a presentation I am doing
>
> I use a script that installs and removes printers based on AD
groups.
>
>
>
> Matthew Shrewsbury, MCSE+Internet MCSE 2000 CCA Server+
>
> Network Manager
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ]
On
> Behalf Of Jim Kenzig http://ThinHelp.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 9:29 AM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Looking for your Original/Innovative uses for Citrix
for
> a presentation I am doing
>
>
>
> Hi all
>
> I am going to be doing a presentation at CSEIT prior to iForum on
> Getting the most of Citrix/Using Citrix across your organization.
>
>
>
> I am looking for additional ideas from people on how they have come
up
> with innovative/original new ways to save time and use Citrix in
your
> corporation.
>
>
>
> I have things like ways of publishing MMC's of AD users, Rdesktops
and
> Exchange Control Panel, Publishing Printers Folder, Web interace
mods,
> CSG/WI usage, etc. Just looking for some other great things people
are
> doing with Citrix Products that they think others may not of thought
of
> that other companies could use. I'll make the whole presentation
> available after CSEIT to the list.
>
>
>
> Please post to the list as this could be a great thread also.
Include
> registry hacks, text you used to publish the item, etc. I'll try and
> give credit where credit is due.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
>
>
> Jim Kenzig <mailto:web%20at%20kenzig.com>
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