The question is: How do they expect it to work without Citrix at this
point?
Joe
On 9/6/06, Damon Edwards < damonedwards@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> My company is also thinking about replacing Citrix. Not because of the
> cost (never heard of a quote like yours Rob) but because of
> politics. Unfortunately we have bandwidth and latency issues to overcome
> that have made our end user experience poor to say the least. This is not a
> problem with the Citrix environment but a problem with the network, however
> trying to explain that to the end user or the business managers doesn't seem
> to work. Fortunately I support other environments as well so I will still
> be employed, I just hate to see good technology thrown out when it was never
> given the proper resources to work correctly.
>
>
> ---- Rob Slayden <rslayden@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > We had 28-32 servers and over 4000 users and for several years we paid
> > about $28K-32K per year. Then we received a bill for about $650K for
> SA
> > and management said "you gotta' be kidding, right?" We communicated
> this
> > to Citrix and they were seemingly un-interested in our concern. We
> even
> > had 2 different large integrators in SoCal (Axcent Technologies and
> > Agile 360) try to negotiate with them on our behalf, to no avail. Then
> > about 6 or 8 months ago, we had a project that we were seeking bids
> for
> > and we had an integrator bring Citrix back in here as they (Citrix)
> had
> > indicated an interest. All during the meeting they indicated that they
> > wanted to work with us and re-establish themselves as a strategic
> > partner and they seemed to indicate that they were going to give us a
> > bit of a break on the SA. Well you can imagine our surprise when the
> > "updated" invoice came for the retail SA amount plus an additional
> > charge of $30-35K as a late fee.
> >
> > Thanks for stopping by, but we are so done with that. I think we are
> > more interested in developing a long-term strategic partnership with a
> > company that gives a darn about its customers. It just seems to me
> that
> > with Citrix, it's all about the money. Pony up or beat it. Not that
> they
> > don't have a decent product, but there's more to a company than simply
> > the software technology. Look at Microsoft; they will bend over
> > backwards to help you out, including bringing in partners on MS
> credit.
> > Citrix? Need support? Talk to our resellers; don't bug us, we're busy
> > counting our dough. I am sure there are some great success stories out
> > there and of course, if it wasn't for Citrix, many of those on this
> list
> > would not be gainfully employed supporting the Citrix technology, but
> it
> > just seems to me that Citrix is turning their backs on their customers
> > and placing their allegiance in the all-mighty dollar. We shall see
> what
> > outcome this produces for them in the long-term...
> >
> > rob
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > Behalf Of Steve Greenberg
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 3:20 PM
> > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [THIN] Re: Looking for your Original/Innovative uses for
> Citrix
> > for a presentation I am doing
> >
> >
> >
> > Did they try to charge you more than you would have paid if you had
> > stayed current? To me that should be absolute max they charge......
> >
> >
> >
> > Steve Greenberg
> >
> > Thin Client Computing
> >
> > 34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453
> >
> > Scottsdale, AZ 85262
> >
> > (602) 432-8649
> >
> > www.thinclient.net
> >
> > steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > Behalf Of Rob Slayden
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 12:13 PM
> > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [THIN] Re: Looking for your Original/Innovative uses for
> Citrix
> > for a presentation I am doing
> >
> >
> >
> > Actually, that's not it at all. For what we do, publish Internet
> > Explorer, it works fine (110 users per DL360 server, not even breaking
> a
> > sweat). We just have a bad taste left over from the SA extortion
> attempt
> > and subsequent meetings with Citrix to "address" our concerns that
> > resulted in invoices from Citrix with original SA pricing INCLUDING
> late
> > fees. I'm done with them. More power to those that continue using
> > Citrix...
> >
> >
> >
> > rob
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ] On
> > Behalf Of Steve Greenberg
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 12:25 PM
> > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [THIN] Re: Looking for your Original/Innovative uses for
> Citrix
> > for a presentation I am doing
> >
> > We come across this regularly with clients that have less than ideal
> > Citrix implementations in the past (not provided by us!). We usually
> > come in and refresh the software and create an updated design, and in
> > the process, use a new naming convention that takes away the word
> > "Citrix" from the project. Once we do that we have a very high level
> of
> > satisfaction.
> >
> >
> >
> > PS- I see that you are running XP- no wonder they aren't happy!!
> >
> >
> >
> > Steve Greenberg
> >
> > Thin Client Computing
> >
> > 34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453
> >
> > Scottsdale, AZ 85262
> >
> > (602) 432-8649
> >
> > www.thinclient.net
> >
> > steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > Behalf Of Rob Slayden
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 11:59 AM
> > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [THIN] Re: Looking for your Original/Innovative uses for
> Citrix
> > for a presentation I am doing
> >
> >
> >
> > Actually, we are looking at potentially yanking Citrix out completely
> > and going with PMF or pure Terminal Services. Citrix is not highly
> > regarded in these parts...
> >
> >
> >
> > rob
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > Behalf Of Steve Greenberg
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 11:01 AM
> > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [THIN] Re: Looking for your Original/Innovative uses for
> Citrix
> > for a presentation I am doing
> >
> > Rob,
> >
> >
> >
> > Probably not what you are looking for, but if you upgrade to PS4 you
> can
> > use policies to automatically assign session printers based on the
> > subnet of each club......
> >
> >
> >
> > Steve Greenberg
> >
> > Thin Client Computing
> >
> > 34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453
> >
> > Scottsdale, AZ 85262
> >
> > (602) 432-8649
> >
> > www.thinclient.net
> >
> > steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > Behalf Of Rob Slayden
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 10:32 AM
> > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [THIN] Re: Looking for your Original/Innovative uses for
> Citrix
> > for a presentation I am doing
> >
> >
> >
> > Matthew,
> >
> >
> >
> > I'd be very interested to hear some specifics regarding how you are
> > accomplishing this as we modify a mandatory profile to change network
> > printer configurations and when we build a club profile, we manually
> add
> > the club's network printers. We have 380+ fitness clubs and we have
> > Windows TCP/IP printers at each one. We run those queues on Server
> 2003
> > File and Print servers in the data center. We use a single mandatory
> > profile for each club, which is used by anywhere from 8-18 users.
> Works
> > great but simplifying the network printer piece would be a plus. Note
> > that we run MF XPe 1.0 FR4/SP4 on Server 2003 on the back-end.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
> > rob
> >
> > 24 Hour Fitness, Inc.
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > Behalf Of Matthew Shrewsbury
> > Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 5:27 AM
> > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [THIN] Re: Looking for your Original/Innovative uses for
> Citrix
> > for a presentation I am doing
> >
> > I use a script that installs and removes printers based on AD groups.
> >
> >
> >
> > Matthew Shrewsbury, MCSE+Internet MCSE 2000 CCA Server+
> >
> > Network Manager
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ] On
> > Behalf Of Jim Kenzig http://ThinHelp.com <http://thinhelp.com/>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 9:29 AM
> > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [THIN] Looking for your Original/Innovative uses for Citrix
> for
> > a presentation I am doing
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > I am going to be doing a presentation at CSEIT prior to iForum on
> > Getting the most of Citrix/Using Citrix across your organization.
> >
> >
> >
> > I am looking for additional ideas from people on how they have come up
> > with innovative/original new ways to save time and use Citrix in your
> > corporation.
> >
> >
> >
> > I have things like ways of publishing MMC's of AD users, Rdesktops and
> > Exchange Control Panel, Publishing Printers Folder, Web interace
> mods,
> > CSG/WI usage, etc. Just looking for some other great things people
> are
> > doing with Citrix Products that they think others may not of thought
> of
> > that other companies could use. I'll make the whole presentation
> > available after CSEIT to the list.
> >
> >
> >
> > Please post to the list as this could be a great thread also. Include
> > registry hacks, text you used to publish the item, etc. I'll try and
> > give credit where credit is due.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Jim Kenzig <mailto:web%20at%20kenzig.com>
> >
> > Microsoft MVP - Terminal Services
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