I just looked over a few different OEM manufacture service manuals and none of them said this has a copyright on it. Check it out on your manuals Phillip R Hull phil245@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Keller" <dek@xxxxxxxxxx> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:06 PM Subject: [TechAssist] Re: a new thought? RE:Sams photofact cost? > > There should be no "copyright" laws on service literature, unless they want to > go back to including a service manual with each set sold. > Doug > > Paul Gendreau wrote: > > > Walter: > > > > When then material is shared the profit comes from use of the material. > > > > No, you don't make a profit when you share a manual. But the person who > > uses it does when he collects money from a customer, and that was money lost > > to the person who was owed for the copyright. > > > > Best regards, > > > > --== Paul ==-- > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > Paul R. Gendreau, Jr. > > Tel: 207-490-1835 > > Fax: 207-490-1893 > > Email: Paul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > http://www.servicesoftware.com > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of walter wood > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:08 PM > > To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: a new thought? RE:Sams photofact cost? > > > > I'm also a musician, and you can bet that the > > copyright laws are well known to us. > > The bottom line on copying, be it tape or > > photocopy, to determine legality, hinges on profit. > > If the copies are for personal use, and/or there is > > NO profit made on the deal, then no law is broken. > > As I interpet that, we can share our resources and > > knowledge as much as we want, but the minute > > someone charges as much as a penny, that is > > copyright infringement. > > And, of course, the manufacturers don't want > > equipment repaired anyway. > > For that matter neither do the retailers, and > > discount stores. > > Everyone simply wants to profit selling new junk. > > Walter--- Jim Myers <jr.myers@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > > Probably not exactly legal but I agree with Ed, I > > > don't think any of the > > > manufacturers really care if we do this anyway. > > > At least their products are > > > getting repaired in the field. > > > Jim Myers > > > Telrad Electronic Services Co. > > > Fort Wayne, IN 46815 > > > jr.myers@xxxxxxxxxxx > > > 260-432-4486 Fax and Voice > > > Fax is always on > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ed Gaidies" <teltek2@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:16 AM > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: a new thought? RE:Sams > > > photofact cost? > > > > > > > > > > > > My thinking on this is, since TechAssist is being > > > run on a voluntary basis, > > > implementing a service such as this would be more > > > time consuming for the > > > guys that only have so many hours in a day, 32 > > > the last time I checked. > > > Plus charging a fee for Service Literature would > > > infringe on copyright of > > > the companies involved. Paying these companies > > > for use of their material > > > would again show their greed. > > > Keep the sharing of Service info on a > > > peer-to-peer basis, If I have it, your > > > welcome...If you have it..I'm welcome. > > > This is one of the reasons Tech's go to a > > > Peer Group like TechAssist, > > > help is being supplied on a personal basis. > > > > > > -Ed- > > > > > > > From: walter wood <wwood_38478@xxxxxxxxx> > > > > Reply-To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 22:55:23 -0700 (PDT) > > > > To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: a new thought? > > > RE:Sams photofact cost? > > > > > > > > > > > > Gary; Think again. I DO buy SAMS, I just don't > > > > subscribe. I suspect that most other non > > > > subscribers buy on an as needed basis as I do. > > > > Also consider the help that some of us render > > > from > > > > PartsFinder, Z-tips, WinsTips, Jeff's tip CD, > > > and > > > > the thousands of dollars of factory schematics > > > that > > > > we are forced to buy to remain ASC's. > > > > Also, it's pretty easy to tell who is a pro, > > > and > > > > who isn't. > > > > Also, I received tons of help from the > > > established > > > > techs when I started out 33 years ago. > > > > Helping out the newcomers is a way to pay back. > > > > Saw a great movie the other day called "Pay it > > > > Forward." > > > > Might have a message here. > > > > Respectfully > > > > Walter > > > > --- Gary McCartney <number63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >> What about the 400 list members who wouldn't > > > pay > > > >> for the subscription. > > > >> How would they be filtered out of the benefits > > > of > > > >> receiving help from > > > >> other members who do pay for the schematics? > > > It > > > >> would be too hard for > > > >> each of us to keep track of who is eligable to > > > >> receive schematic > > > >> assistance and who wouldn't be. The other > > > thing > > > >> that could be done is > > > >> make Tech Assist a pay service of $100.00 per > > > >> year and the schematic > > > >> service would be automatically included in > > > that > > > >> price. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Gary McCartney > > > >> > > > >> McCartney Electronics > > > >> 7134 Fife Rd, RR 7 > > > >> Guelph Ontario Canada N1H 6J4 > > > >> Fax: (519)821-1530 > > > >> email: number63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Bill S wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> Two thoughts; ?? > > > >>> > > > >>> With treasure chest schematics and with tips > > > >> like Winstip, CD tech disc and > > > >>> other things being available for us, I would > > > >> assume that $840.00 cost per > > > >>> year for subscription is kinda a waste.... > > > BUT > > > >> as near as I can tell, there > > > >>> are libraries that will listen to the public > > > >> about those things that the > > > >>> good ole public would like to have in their > > > >> library. In Minnesota, if the > > > >>> local branch did not have the right sams, > > > then > > > >> you could order out of the > > > >>> main branch (Minneapolis) and it would be > > > sent > > > >> to you "photo copied" at no > > > >>> cost. > > > >>> But a new thought?????????? > > > >>> There is in the music industry a 'flat user' > > > >> fee for music that is used in > > > >>> the church. So if a choir or a church used a > > > >> 'copyrighted' song, then the > > > >>> royalties were paid a one time fee to a > > > >> clearing house that specializes in > > > >>> just that type of thing. There is a license > > > >> number that is assigned to that > > > >>> church organization for the use of that > > > >> material. > > > >>> > > > >>> Nowww what would happen if "we the techs" > > > were > > > >> to subscribe to Techassist > > > >>> schematic clearing house (kinda like what we > > > do > > > >> in support for internet fee > > > >>> that is paid to Techassist). If I needed a > > > CTC > > > >> 177 print and I had paid a > > > >>> yearly fee of $100.00 (as an example) and the > > > >> print was either faxed or > > > >>> emailed and the clearing house would pay a > > > >> royalty fee to RCA and so on. > > > >>> This would offer us an advantage at being > > > more > > > >> legitimate legally speaking, > > > >>> Answers the critics of copyrights, Offer us > > > >> better more timely resources, > > > >>> and helps support each other in a way that > > > may > > > >> allow for us to answer > > > >>> questions about problems rather than looking > > > up > > > >> prints and such. We could > > > >>> even contribute to the library as it were. > > > >>> > > > >>> Granted there would be a lot of work. I read > > > >> that the list is up to 800 > > > >>> plus members and say for example if 400 > > > people > > > >> paid the $100.00 yearly fee, > > > >>> that would be $40,000 per year to run this > > > >> thing. > > > >>> My two bits... > > > >>> Bill Sorensen > > > >>> New Life Video & Audio > > > >>> billans@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > > >>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > >>> > > > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > > > >>> From: "Tel-Tek Electronics" > > > >> <teltek2@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > >>> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 1:23 PM > > > >>> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Sams photofact > > > cost? > > > >>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> With all you guys unsubbing, no wonder the > > > >> price keeps going up. But > > > >>> that's > > > >>>> pretty high for a monthly charge. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> -Ed- > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Tel-Tek Electronics > > > >>>> Midland, Ont. Canada. > > > >>>> teltek2@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > > >>>> > > > >>>> "Quality will be remembered, long after > > > Price > > > >> is forgotten" > > > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > > > >>>> From: "al" <al@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > >>>> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 2:29 PM > > > >>>> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Sams photofact > > > >> cost? > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> I unsubbed,it will take years for me to > > > >> notice.For $70. per monthg I can > > > >>>>> order whatever I need,price was too high. > > > >> Comments? al > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> alleathe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > >>>>> Al Leatherman > > > >>>>> Mine Hill, NJ 07803 > > > >>>>> 973-361-5796 > > > >>>>> WWW.ALS-TV.NET > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > > > >>>>> From: "Dan Garris" <dgarris@xxxxxxxxxxx> > > > >>>>> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 1:18 PM > > > >>>>> Subject: [TechAssist] Sams photofact cost? > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> I am a long-time Sams Photofacts > > > >> subscriber and presently paying $70 > > > >>> per > > > >>>>>> month for sub. UPS is $3.84. SO my > > > >> Monthly total for my Sams sub is > > > >>>>> $73.84 > > > >>>>>> How much are other shops here in the > > > >> group paying? Many local shops > > > >>> I've > > > >>>>>> spoken to have long canceled their sub. > > > >> Prices keep rising also on the > > > >>>>> Sams > > > >>>>>> sub. But I like the sub rather than the > > > >> online method. Any comments > > > >>> from > > > >>>>>> other shops on the group here? > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Dan Garris > > > >>>>>> Garris TV > > > >>>>>> 3104 Neuse Blvd. > > > >>>>>> New Bern, NC. 28560-4116 > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> 252-638-4477 voice > > > >>>>>> 252-635-2772 fax > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Mailto:dgarris@xxxxxxxxxxx > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > >>>>>> Chat with friends online, try MSN > > > >> Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >> ------------------------------------------ > > > >>>>>> To REMOVE your email address, click here: > > > >>>>>> http://www.tech-assist.org/unsubb.html > > > >>>>>> > > > >> ------------------------------------------ > > > >>>>>> ***NEW*** Tips Added Instantly!!!*** > > > >>>>>> Submit Repair Tips here: > > > >>>>>> http://www.tech-assist.org/secure/tip/ > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> ------------------------------------------ > > > >>>>> To REMOVE your email address, click here: > > > >>>>> http://www.tech-assist.org/unsubb.html > > > >>>>> ------------------------------------------ > > > >>>>> ***NEW*** Tips Added Instantly!!!*** > > > >>>>> Submit Repair Tips here: > > > >>>>> http://www.tech-assist.org/secure/tip/ > > > >>>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> ------------------------------------------ > > > >>>> To REMOVE your email address, click here: > > > >>>> http://www.tech-assist.org/unsubb.html > > > >>>> ------------------------------------------ > > > >>>> ***NEW*** Tips Added Instantly!!!*** > > > >>>> Submit Repair Tips here: > > > >>>> http://www.tech-assist.org/secure/tip/ > > > >>> > > > >>> ------------------------------------------ > > > >>> To REMOVE your email address, click here: > > > >>> http://www.tech-assist.org/unsubb.html > > > >>> ------------------------------------------ > > > >>> ***NEW*** Tips Added Instantly!!!*** > > > >>> Submit Repair Tips here: > > > >>> http://www.tech-assist.org/secure/tip/ > > > >> > > > >> -- > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Gary McCartney > > > >> > > > >> McCartney Electronics > > > >> 7134 Fife Rd, RR 7 > > > >> Guelph Ontario Canada N1H 6J4 > > > >> Fax: (519)821-1530 > > > >> email: number63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > >> ------------------------------------------ > > > >> To REMOVE your email address, click here: > > > >> http://www.tech-assist.org/unsubb.html > > > >> ------------------------------------------ > > > >> ***NEW*** Tips Added Instantly!!!*** > > > >> Submit Repair Tips here: > > > >> http://www.tech-assist.org/secure/tip/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > Walter Wood > > > > Future Tech Home Center > > > > 2786 Hwy. 43 N. > > > > Lawrenceburg Tn. 38464 > > > > 931-829-3337 > > > > Fax 931-829-4044 > > > > mailto:wwood_38478@xxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! 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