[TechAssist] Re: a new thought? RE:Sams photofact cost?
- From: Doug Keller <dek@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 13:53:17 -0400
And that is the kicker. Service literature had just as well be written in
greek as far as anyone but a tech would know. It is designed for techs.
Doug
bob wrote:
> Hi Phil,
> I just checked Ztips and have cut and pasted it.....
> Z-Tips is a program developed to aid servicers in the identification and
> repair of Zenith Consumer Products. This program may be copied and
> distributed freely to others for evaluation purposes.
>
> Bob,
>
> Bobs tv... Worcester, ma
>
> main 508-853-1482
>
> fax 508-853-1480
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Phillip R. Hull <phil245@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:18 PM
> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: a new thought? RE:Sams photofact cost?
>
> >
> > I just looked over a few different OEM manufacture service manuals and
> none
> > of them said this has a copyright on it. Check it out on your manuals
> > Phillip R Hull
> > phil245@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Doug Keller" <dek@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:06 PM
> > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: a new thought? RE:Sams photofact cost?
> >
> >
> > >
> > > There should be no "copyright" laws on service literature, unless they
> > want to
> > > go back to including a service manual with each set sold.
> > > Doug
> > >
> > > Paul Gendreau wrote:
> > >
> > > > Walter:
> > > >
> > > > When then material is shared the profit comes from use of the
> material.
> > > >
> > > > No, you don't make a profit when you share a manual. But the person
> who
> > > > uses it does when he collects money from a customer, and that was
> money
> > lost
> > > > to the person who was owed for the copyright.
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > >
> > > > --== Paul ==--
> > > >
> > > > -------------------------------------------------------
> > > > Paul R. Gendreau, Jr.
> > > > Tel: 207-490-1835
> > > > Fax: 207-490-1893
> > > > Email: Paul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > http://www.servicesoftware.com
> > > > -------------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of walter wood
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:08 PM
> > > > To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: a new thought? RE:Sams photofact cost?
> > > >
> > > > I'm also a musician, and you can bet that the
> > > > copyright laws are well known to us.
> > > > The bottom line on copying, be it tape or
> > > > photocopy, to determine legality, hinges on profit.
> > > > If the copies are for personal use, and/or there is
> > > > NO profit made on the deal, then no law is broken.
> > > > As I interpet that, we can share our resources and
> > > > knowledge as much as we want, but the minute
> > > > someone charges as much as a penny, that is
> > > > copyright infringement.
> > > > And, of course, the manufacturers don't want
> > > > equipment repaired anyway.
> > > > For that matter neither do the retailers, and
> > > > discount stores.
> > > > Everyone simply wants to profit selling new junk.
> > > > Walter--- Jim Myers <jr.myers@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Probably not exactly legal but I agree with Ed, I
> > > > > don't think any of the
> > > > > manufacturers really care if we do this anyway.
> > > > > At least their products are
> > > > > getting repaired in the field.
> > > > > Jim Myers
> > > > > Telrad Electronic Services Co.
> > > > > Fort Wayne, IN 46815
> > > > > jr.myers@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > 260-432-4486 Fax and Voice
> > > > > Fax is always on
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Ed Gaidies" <teltek2@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:16 AM
> > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: a new thought? RE:Sams
> > > > > photofact cost?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > My thinking on this is, since TechAssist is being
> > > > > run on a voluntary basis,
> > > > > implementing a service such as this would be more
> > > > > time consuming for the
> > > > > guys that only have so many hours in a day, 32
> > > > > the last time I checked.
> > > > > Plus charging a fee for Service Literature would
> > > > > infringe on copyright of
> > > > > the companies involved. Paying these companies
> > > > > for use of their material
> > > > > would again show their greed.
> > > > > Keep the sharing of Service info on a
> > > > > peer-to-peer basis, If I have it, your
> > > > > welcome...If you have it..I'm welcome.
> > > > > This is one of the reasons Tech's go to a
> > > > > Peer Group like TechAssist,
> > > > > help is being supplied on a personal basis.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Ed-
> > > > >
> > > > > > From: walter wood <wwood_38478@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > Reply-To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 22:55:23 -0700 (PDT)
> > > > > > To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: a new thought?
> > > > > RE:Sams photofact cost?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gary; Think again. I DO buy SAMS, I just don't
> > > > > > subscribe. I suspect that most other non
> > > > > > subscribers buy on an as needed basis as I do.
> > > > > > Also consider the help that some of us render
> > > > > from
> > > > > > PartsFinder, Z-tips, WinsTips, Jeff's tip CD,
> > > > > and
> > > > > > the thousands of dollars of factory schematics
> > > > > that
> > > > > > we are forced to buy to remain ASC's.
> > > > > > Also, it's pretty easy to tell who is a pro,
> > > > > and
> > > > > > who isn't.
> > > > > > Also, I received tons of help from the
> > > > > established
> > > > > > techs when I started out 33 years ago.
> > > > > > Helping out the newcomers is a way to pay back.
> > > > > > Saw a great movie the other day called "Pay it
> > > > > > Forward."
> > > > > > Might have a message here.
> > > > > > Respectfully
> > > > > > Walter
> > > > > > --- Gary McCartney <number63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> What about the 400 list members who wouldn't
> > > > > pay
> > > > > >> for the subscription.
> > > > > >> How would they be filtered out of the benefits
> > > > > of
> > > > > >> receiving help from
> > > > > >> other members who do pay for the schematics?
> > > > > It
> > > > > >> would be too hard for
> > > > > >> each of us to keep track of who is eligable to
> > > > > >> receive schematic
> > > > > >> assistance and who wouldn't be. The other
> > > > > thing
> > > > > >> that could be done is
> > > > > >> make Tech Assist a pay service of $100.00 per
> > > > > >> year and the schematic
> > > > > >> service would be automatically included in
> > > > > that
> > > > > >> price.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Gary McCartney
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> McCartney Electronics
> > > > > >> 7134 Fife Rd, RR 7
> > > > > >> Guelph Ontario Canada N1H 6J4
> > > > > >> Fax: (519)821-1530
> > > > > >> email: number63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Bill S wrote:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Two thoughts; ??
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> With treasure chest schematics and with tips
> > > > > >> like Winstip, CD tech disc and
> > > > > >>> other things being available for us, I would
> > > > > >> assume that $840.00 cost per
> > > > > >>> year for subscription is kinda a waste....
> > > > > BUT
> > > > > >> as near as I can tell, there
> > > > > >>> are libraries that will listen to the public
> > > > > >> about those things that the
> > > > > >>> good ole public would like to have in their
> > > > > >> library. In Minnesota, if the
> > > > > >>> local branch did not have the right sams,
> > > > > then
> > > > > >> you could order out of the
> > > > > >>> main branch (Minneapolis) and it would be
> > > > > sent
> > > > > >> to you "photo copied" at no
> > > > > >>> cost.
> > > > > >>> But a new thought??????????
> > > > > >>> There is in the music industry a 'flat user'
> > > > > >> fee for music that is used in
> > > > > >>> the church. So if a choir or a church used a
> > > > > >> 'copyrighted' song, then the
> > > > > >>> royalties were paid a one time fee to a
> > > > > >> clearing house that specializes in
> > > > > >>> just that type of thing. There is a license
> > > > > >> number that is assigned to that
> > > > > >>> church organization for the use of that
> > > > > >> material.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Nowww what would happen if "we the techs"
> > > > > were
> > > > > >> to subscribe to Techassist
> > > > > >>> schematic clearing house (kinda like what we
> > > > > do
> > > > > >> in support for internet fee
> > > > > >>> that is paid to Techassist). If I needed a
> > > > > CTC
> > > > > >> 177 print and I had paid a
> > > > > >>> yearly fee of $100.00 (as an example) and the
> > > > > >> print was either faxed or
> > > > > >>> emailed and the clearing house would pay a
> > > > > >> royalty fee to RCA and so on.
> > > > > >>> This would offer us an advantage at being
> > > > > more
> > > > > >> legitimate legally speaking,
> > > > > >>> Answers the critics of copyrights, Offer us
> > > > > >> better more timely resources,
> > > > > >>> and helps support each other in a way that
> > > > > may
> > > > > >> allow for us to answer
> > > > > >>> questions about problems rather than looking
> > > > > up
> > > > > >> prints and such. We could
> > > > > >>> even contribute to the library as it were.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Granted there would be a lot of work. I read
> > > > > >> that the list is up to 800
> > > > > >>> plus members and say for example if 400
> > > > > people
> > > > > >> paid the $100.00 yearly fee,
> > > > > >>> that would be $40,000 per year to run this
> > > > > >> thing.
> > > > > >>> My two bits...
> > > > > >>> Bill Sorensen
> > > > > >>> New Life Video & Audio
> > > > > >>> billans@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > >>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > >>> From: "Tel-Tek Electronics"
> > > > > >> <teltek2@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > >>> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 1:23 PM
> > > > > >>> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Sams photofact
> > > > > cost?
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> With all you guys unsubbing, no wonder the
> > > > > >> price keeps going up. But
> > > > > >>> that's
> > > > > >>>> pretty high for a monthly charge.
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> -Ed-
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Tel-Tek Electronics
> > > > > >>>> Midland, Ont. Canada.
> > > > > >>>> teltek2@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> "Quality will be remembered, long after
> > > > > Price
> > > > > >> is forgotten"
> > > > > >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > >>>> From: "al" <al@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > >>>> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 2:29 PM
> > > > > >>>> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Sams photofact
> > > > > >> cost?
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> I unsubbed,it will take years for me to
> > > > > >> notice.For $70. per monthg I can
> > > > > >>>>> order whatever I need,price was too high.
> > > > > >> Comments? al
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> alleathe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > >>>>> Al Leatherman
> > > > > >>>>> Mine Hill, NJ 07803
> > > > > >>>>> 973-361-5796
> > > > > >>>>> WWW.ALS-TV.NET
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > >>>>> From: "Dan Garris" <dgarris@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > >>>>> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 1:18 PM
> > > > > >>>>> Subject: [TechAssist] Sams photofact cost?
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> I am a long-time Sams Photofacts
> > > > > >> subscriber and presently paying $70
> > > > > >>> per
> > > > > >>>>>> month for sub. UPS is $3.84. SO my
> > > > > >> Monthly total for my Sams sub is
> > > > > >>>>> $73.84
> > > > > >>>>>> How much are other shops here in the
> > > > > >> group paying? Many local shops
> > > > > >>> I've
> > > > > >>>>>> spoken to have long canceled their sub.
> > > > > >> Prices keep rising also on the
> > > > > >>>>> Sams
> > > > > >>>>>> sub. But I like the sub rather than the
> > > > > >> online method. Any comments
> > > > > >>> from
> > > > > >>>>>> other shops on the group here?
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> Dan Garris
> > > > > >>>>>> Garris TV
> > > > > >>>>>> 3104 Neuse Blvd.
> > > > > >>>>>> New Bern, NC. 28560-4116
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> 252-638-4477 voice
> > > > > >>>>>> 252-635-2772 fax
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> Mailto:dgarris@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
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> > > > > >> --
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Gary McCartney
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> McCartney Electronics
> > > > > >> 7134 Fife Rd, RR 7
> > > > > >> Guelph Ontario Canada N1H 6J4
> > > > > >> Fax: (519)821-1530
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> > > > > > =====
> > > > > > Walter Wood
> > > > > > Future Tech Home Center
> > > > > > 2786 Hwy. 43 N.
> > > > > > Lawrenceburg Tn. 38464
> > > > > > 931-829-3337
> > > > > > Fax 931-829-4044
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> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > 931-829-3337
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