[TechAssist] Re: a new thought? RE:Sams photofact cost?
- From: "J Silverman" <greentron@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 15:40:24 -0400
If you take a look at the corporate structure of many of the brand names you
will see that the parts, service, literature, customer relations, and
warranty fufillment are handled by a separately incorporated company, for
example Sony Service Company, Panasonic Service Company, Sanyo Fisher
Service Corporation. These companies are expected to make a profit for the
parent company or else---. These companies DO care about repairs, selling
copywrited literature, supporting service centers. But they have no control
over the product design or sales. They dont care what something sells for.
They just know they have to charge so much for a part or for service
literature to make the profit that they need to survive. If they decide to
set up distributors, there is a income windfall on parts sales as the
pipeline fills. Since the parent organization determines the cost to the
parts division, the price on the parts increases to cover the distributors
markup, and the parts division increases the prices to the service centers
to support the distributors.
A few of the brands do not handle these things through a separate
corporation. Their parts are not sold through distributors and the price of
their parts and literature is low compared to the others. Some distributors
do their own importing and buy the parts elsewhere, usually the country of
origin, to get around the domestic arrangements.
Jerry Silverman
Greentron Inc
4 Newland Ave
Greenville SC 29609
864 232 3889
Fax 271 2080
mailto:greentron@xxxxxxx
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Keller" <dek@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:25 PM
Subject: [TechAssist] Re: a new thought? RE:Sams photofact cost?
>
> I agree with Phil. And it's getting to the point it is almost the same
cost to
> just go ahead and buy new, what with the overinflated parts we have to
buy.
> Doug
>
> "Phillip R. Hull" wrote:
>
> > Problem is the manufactures do not want them repaired in the field.
They
> > want to sell only new units,
> > Phillip R Hull
> > phil245@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jim Myers" <jr.myers@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:41 AM
> > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: a new thought? RE:Sams photofact cost?
> >
> > >
> > > Probably not exactly legal but I agree with Ed, I don't think any of
the
> > > manufacturers really care if we do this anyway. At least their
products
> > are
> > > getting repaired in the field.
> > > Jim Myers
> > > Telrad Electronic Services Co.
> > > Fort Wayne, IN 46815
> > > jr.myers@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > 260-432-4486 Fax and Voice
> > > Fax is always on
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ed Gaidies" <teltek2@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:16 AM
> > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: a new thought? RE:Sams photofact cost?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > My thinking on this is, since TechAssist is being run on a voluntary
> > basis,
> > > implementing a service such as this would be more time consuming for
the
> > > guys that only have so many hours in a day, 32 the last time I
checked.
> > > Plus charging a fee for Service Literature would infringe on copyright
of
> > > the companies involved. Paying these companies for use of their
material
> > > would again show their greed.
> > > Keep the sharing of Service info on a peer-to-peer basis, If I have
it,
> > your
> > > welcome...If you have it..I'm welcome.
> > > This is one of the reasons Tech's go to a Peer Group like
TechAssist,
> > > help is being supplied on a personal basis.
> > >
> > > -Ed-
> > >
> > > > From: walter wood <wwood_38478@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Reply-To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 22:55:23 -0700 (PDT)
> > > > To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: a new thought? RE:Sams photofact cost?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Gary; Think again. I DO buy SAMS, I just don't
> > > > subscribe. I suspect that most other non
> > > > subscribers buy on an as needed basis as I do.
> > > > Also consider the help that some of us render from
> > > > PartsFinder, Z-tips, WinsTips, Jeff's tip CD, and
> > > > the thousands of dollars of factory schematics that
> > > > we are forced to buy to remain ASC's.
> > > > Also, it's pretty easy to tell who is a pro, and
> > > > who isn't.
> > > > Also, I received tons of help from the established
> > > > techs when I started out 33 years ago.
> > > > Helping out the newcomers is a way to pay back.
> > > > Saw a great movie the other day called "Pay it
> > > > Forward."
> > > > Might have a message here.
> > > > Respectfully
> > > > Walter
> > > > --- Gary McCartney <number63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> What about the 400 list members who wouldn't pay
> > > >> for the subscription.
> > > >> How would they be filtered out of the benefits of
> > > >> receiving help from
> > > >> other members who do pay for the schematics? It
> > > >> would be too hard for
> > > >> each of us to keep track of who is eligable to
> > > >> receive schematic
> > > >> assistance and who wouldn't be. The other thing
> > > >> that could be done is
> > > >> make Tech Assist a pay service of $100.00 per
> > > >> year and the schematic
> > > >> service would be automatically included in that
> > > >> price.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Gary McCartney
> > > >>
> > > >> McCartney Electronics
> > > >> 7134 Fife Rd, RR 7
> > > >> Guelph Ontario Canada N1H 6J4
> > > >> Fax: (519)821-1530
> > > >> email: number63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Bill S wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Two thoughts; ??
> > > >>>
> > > >>> With treasure chest schematics and with tips
> > > >> like Winstip, CD tech disc and
> > > >>> other things being available for us, I would
> > > >> assume that $840.00 cost per
> > > >>> year for subscription is kinda a waste.... BUT
> > > >> as near as I can tell, there
> > > >>> are libraries that will listen to the public
> > > >> about those things that the
> > > >>> good ole public would like to have in their
> > > >> library. In Minnesota, if the
> > > >>> local branch did not have the right sams, then
> > > >> you could order out of the
> > > >>> main branch (Minneapolis) and it would be sent
> > > >> to you "photo copied" at no
> > > >>> cost.
> > > >>> But a new thought??????????
> > > >>> There is in the music industry a 'flat user'
> > > >> fee for music that is used in
> > > >>> the church. So if a choir or a church used a
> > > >> 'copyrighted' song, then the
> > > >>> royalties were paid a one time fee to a
> > > >> clearing house that specializes in
> > > >>> just that type of thing. There is a license
> > > >> number that is assigned to that
> > > >>> church organization for the use of that
> > > >> material.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Nowww what would happen if "we the techs" were
> > > >> to subscribe to Techassist
> > > >>> schematic clearing house (kinda like what we do
> > > >> in support for internet fee
> > > >>> that is paid to Techassist). If I needed a CTC
> > > >> 177 print and I had paid a
> > > >>> yearly fee of $100.00 (as an example) and the
> > > >> print was either faxed or
> > > >>> emailed and the clearing house would pay a
> > > >> royalty fee to RCA and so on.
> > > >>> This would offer us an advantage at being more
> > > >> legitimate legally speaking,
> > > >>> Answers the critics of copyrights, Offer us
> > > >> better more timely resources,
> > > >>> and helps support each other in a way that may
> > > >> allow for us to answer
> > > >>> questions about problems rather than looking up
> > > >> prints and such. We could
> > > >>> even contribute to the library as it were.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Granted there would be a lot of work. I read
> > > >> that the list is up to 800
> > > >>> plus members and say for example if 400 people
> > > >> paid the $100.00 yearly fee,
> > > >>> that would be $40,000 per year to run this
> > > >> thing.
> > > >>> My two bits...
> > > >>> Bill Sorensen
> > > >>> New Life Video & Audio
> > > >>> billans@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> > > >>>
> > > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >>> From: "Tel-Tek Electronics"
> > > >> <teltek2@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >>> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 1:23 PM
> > > >>> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Sams photofact cost?
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> With all you guys unsubbing, no wonder the
> > > >> price keeps going up. But
> > > >>> that's
> > > >>>> pretty high for a monthly charge.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> -Ed-
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Tel-Tek Electronics
> > > >>>> Midland, Ont. Canada.
> > > >>>> teltek2@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> "Quality will be remembered, long after Price
> > > >> is forgotten"
> > > >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >>>> From: "al" <al@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >>>> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 2:29 PM
> > > >>>> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Sams photofact
> > > >> cost?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> I unsubbed,it will take years for me to
> > > >> notice.For $70. per monthg I can
> > > >>>>> order whatever I need,price was too high.
> > > >> Comments? al
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> alleathe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >>>>> Al Leatherman
> > > >>>>> Mine Hill, NJ 07803
> > > >>>>> 973-361-5796
> > > >>>>> WWW.ALS-TV.NET
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >>>>> From: "Dan Garris" <dgarris@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >>>>> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 1:18 PM
> > > >>>>> Subject: [TechAssist] Sams photofact cost?
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> I am a long-time Sams Photofacts
> > > >> subscriber and presently paying $70
> > > >>> per
> > > >>>>>> month for sub. UPS is $3.84. SO my
> > > >> Monthly total for my Sams sub is
> > > >>>>> $73.84
> > > >>>>>> How much are other shops here in the
> > > >> group paying? Many local shops
> > > >>> I've
> > > >>>>>> spoken to have long canceled their sub.
> > > >> Prices keep rising also on the
> > > >>>>> Sams
> > > >>>>>> sub. But I like the sub rather than the
> > > >> online method. Any comments
> > > >>> from
> > > >>>>>> other shops on the group here?
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Dan Garris
> > > >>>>>> Garris TV
> > > >>>>>> 3104 Neuse Blvd.
> > > >>>>>> New Bern, NC. 28560-4116
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> 252-638-4477 voice
> > > >>>>>> 252-635-2772 fax
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Mailto:dgarris@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>
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> > > >> --
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Gary McCartney
> > > >>
> > > >> McCartney Electronics
> > > >> 7134 Fife Rd, RR 7
> > > >> Guelph Ontario Canada N1H 6J4
> > > >> Fax: (519)821-1530
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> > > > 931-829-3337
> > > > Fax 931-829-4044
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