[tcb] Re: distributors
- From: "Eric Woodall" <eric@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 06:54:58 -0600 (CST)
Will, that is very interesting.
So you have done this with ICT's and an SVDA then.
Everyone I have talked to said that it doesn't work worth a crap.
Learn something new everyday I suppose.
Will Wood said:
> For the ICT, a small 1/8" barbed NPT fitting (Elliot's hardware, Dallas)
> drilled and tapped just below the mounting flange on the 1/2 manifold.
>
> If you run on Dual Carbs with Dual Throats (IDFs, DRLAs etc.)
> Tap two vacuum ports and use a T fitting. You want at least two
> cylinders of vacuum pull on the signal.
>
>
> On Mon, 2007-11-12 at 16:40 -0600, Eric Woodall wrote:
>> I'd be all for it with my ICT's.
>> How did you plumb the vacuum lines to the distributor?
>>
>>
>> Will Wood said:
>> > Uhm, here's my experience...
>> >
>> > 2110, Dual DRLA 45s.. SVDA
>> > 1776, Dual DRLA 40s.. SVDA
>> > 1600, Dual ICTs.. SVDA
>> >
>> > They work very well on big engines. The 2110 is in the Fastback. To
>> > Eureka and back, 32MPG on the 2110.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, 2007-11-12 at 13:25 -0600, Eric Woodall wrote:
>> >> The SVDA is great for a stockish vehicle.
>> >> By stockish I mean one that has a single carb, and a stock muffler.
>> >> On the other hand on one that has dual carbs and a high flowing
>> header,
>> >> there isn't too many options.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Will Wood said:
>> >> > That's why the SVDA is a better all around street distributor.. ;-)
>> >> >
>> >> > The 019 and the 010 were the way to go. The 009 flatspot is
>> notorious
>> >> > and that's why I prefer not to run 009s, that and other things. I
>> >> used
>> >> > to not buy into the SVDA philosophy until I tried one.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Mon, 2007-11-12 at 07:50 -0800, sammie smith wrote:
>> >> >> Well, the old school hot rodders used both the 019 and the 010 for
>> >> >> performance increases before the 009 was available. You went to a
>> VW
>> >> >> salvage yard, scrounged an 010 from an old bus and installed it
>> for
>> >> >> the advantageous advance curve. Some people still say the 010 and
>> >> 019
>> >> >> are better than the 009 for the advance curve, though both are
>> >> >> similar. The 010 and 019 are much better constructed than the
>> 009,
>> >> >> particulary the Brazilian 009. Parts availability on the 010 and
>> 019
>> >> >> are a problem though in that the caps, rotors, condensors and
>> points
>> >> >> are supposedly no longer available.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> My opinion, the best distributor for the money on the later VW
>> >> engines
>> >> >> with the 34 carb is still one of the centrifugal advance
>> >> distributors.
>> >> >> However, it is tough to get rid of the flat spot you have from the
>> >> >> advance curve being ahead of the carbs ability to supply fuel, or
>> >> >> maybe it's the other way around. Daniel Watts at Oakhill Auto in
>> >> >> Longview cures this problem by modifying the advance on the 009
>> and
>> >> it
>> >> >> works great. I don't know exactly how he does it, but essentially
>> he
>> >> >> decreases the total advance on the 009 and then times the initial
>> >> >> advance must faster, but with the limited total advance of the
>> >> >> distriburtor the total advance at speed is the same. It works
>> fine.
>> >> >> But a stock 009 with a PIC 34 timed to give total advance of 28-30
>> >> >> degrees will not work. You get a tremdous almost stalling flat
>> spot
>> >> >> on initial acceleration.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> As to your bus with the 34, one of Daniel's modified 009s would
>> work
>> >> >> fine and probably a lot better than the stock vacuum advance
>> >> >> distributor.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Brian Denning <i_am_cool_fred@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >> >> Will says they look good on a nostalgic performer??? do
>> they
>> >> >> perform good? i looked at an old big vacuum advance one at
>> a
>> >> >> show but i was told that the vacuum curve is alot smaller
>> >> than
>> >> >> the late model ones that go with the pict 34...is this
>> true?
>> >> >> what makes 'em so special then? i'm way to late model to
>> be
>> >> >> sporting one of those on my bus but still, curious minds
>> want
>> >> >> to know.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ______________________________________________________
>> >> >> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 07:11:17 -0800
>> >> >> From: bugcollections@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> >> Subject: [tcb] Re: distributors
>> >> >> To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Whew! One non-controversial post on distributors
>> and
>> >> >> I start an argument!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Eric Woodall <eric@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >> >> I have a 010 (bought from Glenn) on my '66
>> >> and
>> >> >> it is a really great
>> >> >> distributer.
>> >> >> I feel like he did a good job on it also.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> sammie smith said:
>> >> >> > I have an 010 on the 1960 panel bus and
>> it
>> >> >> works great but is probably a
>> >> >> > debatable issue as to whether it is
>> totally
>> >> >> correct for that engine or
>> >> >> > not. I may take one of them, either an
>> 010
>> >> >> or 019 and try on the baja, at
>> >> >> > least just for experimentation on the
>> >> >> advance curve.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > None of these distributors appear to
>> have
>> >> >> any noticeable wear but I plan
>> >> >> > to tear them all down and at least get
>> them
>> >> >> in good operating condition.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > And Will, I don't have any personal
>> >> >> experience with the guy you are
>> >> >> > talking about (think his name is Glenn)
>> but
>> >> >> he supposedly pays $60 for a
>> >> >> > core 010. If you got that many maybe you
>> >> >> ought to sell out and retire.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Final note: he and some others swear
>> that
>> >> an
>> >> >> 010 or an 019 is a much
>> >> >> > better distributor than the 009.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Will Wood wrote:
>> >> >> > I am into old distributors but only for
>> >> >> vintage look...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The problem with the 010s and the 019s
>> is
>> >> >> most of them are rusty or are
>> >> >> > worn out. What ever you do, don't send
>> them
>> >> >> to that idiot on theSamba
>> >> >> > for "restoration." You can do a better
>> job
>> >> >> with a can of Krylon.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Anyway, I have about 30-40 of them about
>> 10
>> >> >> are rebuilt and that will
>> >> >> > probably last me a lifetime.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > If you have an early 36HP bus, they're
>> the
>> >> >> way to go or if you want a
>> >> >> > vintage performance look they're cool.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On Sun, 2007-11-11 at 16:06 -0800,
>> sammie
>> >> >> smith wrote:
>> >> >> >> Is there anyone on the list who is into
>> >> old
>> >> >> distributors? Will? I
>> >> >> >> managed to acquire some 010's and 019's
>> >> and
>> >> >> have managed to scrounge
>> >> >> >> some NOS caps, rotors, points and
>> >> >> condensors for them. Two of the
>> >> >> >> 019's are the ones that came in
>> screamer
>> >> >> kits. My intent is to clean
>> >> >> >> them up, make sure they work properly,
>> >> keep
>> >> >> a couple of them for
>> >> >> >> myself and dispose of the rest. Anyone
>> >> >> interested or just have any
>> >> >> >> input on these guys are welcome to
>> >> comment.
>> >> >> Yeah I know there is tons
>> >> >> >> of data on them on the Samba and I also
>> >> >> know what they are worth.
>> >> >> >
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