[tcb] Re: distributors
- From: Brian Denning <i_am_cool_fred@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:23:25 -0600
i went to my vw parts
supplier and they said you can't buy just the can anymore and then i
came across this:
http://www.aircooled.net/new-bin/viewproductdetail.php?keyword2=IGD0007&cartid=1113200787989843
will it work on my svda?
> Subject: [tcb] Re: distributors
> From: evilscientistboo@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:34:09 -0600
>
> It works fine for me. In the 2110 I have a W110 cam with 1.25 rockers
> and two cylinders (dual tapped DRLA 45s left/right) pulling vacuum. The
> ICT uses the same principal, two cylinders but from one manifold. It
> has plenty of vacuum at cruise to pull the advance.
>
> Two of mine are the standard "mexi beetle" the other I can't fully
> identify from the P/N but it's similar and has a very close curve to the
> other two. It may be an "off brand" but it uses the same parts and says
> Bosch on it. I don't have a distributor bench tester but it throws out
> fully at 3700 RPM using mechanical advance only. From what I can see,
> that's where most of these SVDAs throw out all the mechanical advance.
>
> As a side note, has anybody out here bought one of this guy's "Hot
> Spark" modules? http://www.hot-spark.com/ They seem to be competitive
> with the Pertronix or Compufire. I was just wondering if anybody had
> used one on the list.
>
>
> On Tue, 2007-11-13 at 06:54 -0600, Eric Woodall wrote:
> > Will, that is very interesting.
> > So you have done this with ICT's and an SVDA then.
> > Everyone I have talked to said that it doesn't work worth a crap.
> > Learn something new everyday I suppose.
> >
> > Will Wood said:
> > > For the ICT, a small 1/8" barbed NPT fitting (Elliot's hardware, Dallas)
> > > drilled and tapped just below the mounting flange on the 1/2 manifold.
> > >
> > > If you run on Dual Carbs with Dual Throats (IDFs, DRLAs etc.)
> > > Tap two vacuum ports and use a T fitting. You want at least two
> > > cylinders of vacuum pull on the signal.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, 2007-11-12 at 16:40 -0600, Eric Woodall wrote:
> > >> I'd be all for it with my ICT's.
> > >> How did you plumb the vacuum lines to the distributor?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Will Wood said:
> > >> > Uhm, here's my experience...
> > >> >
> > >> > 2110, Dual DRLA 45s.. SVDA
> > >> > 1776, Dual DRLA 40s.. SVDA
> > >> > 1600, Dual ICTs.. SVDA
> > >> >
> > >> > They work very well on big engines. The 2110 is in the Fastback. To
> > >> > Eureka and back, 32MPG on the 2110.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On Mon, 2007-11-12 at 13:25 -0600, Eric Woodall wrote:
> > >> >> The SVDA is great for a stockish vehicle.
> > >> >> By stockish I mean one that has a single carb, and a stock muffler.
> > >> >> On the other hand on one that has dual carbs and a high flowing
> > >> header,
> > >> >> there isn't too many options.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Will Wood said:
> > >> >> > That's why the SVDA is a better all around street distributor.. ;-)
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > The 019 and the 010 were the way to go. The 009 flatspot is
> > >> notorious
> > >> >> > and that's why I prefer not to run 009s, that and other things. I
> > >> >> used
> > >> >> > to not buy into the SVDA philosophy until I tried one.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > On Mon, 2007-11-12 at 07:50 -0800, sammie smith wrote:
> > >> >> >> Well, the old school hot rodders used both the 019 and the 010 for
> > >> >> >> performance increases before the 009 was available. You went to a
> > >> VW
> > >> >> >> salvage yard, scrounged an 010 from an old bus and installed it
> > >> for
> > >> >> >> the advantageous advance curve. Some people still say the 010 and
> > >> >> 019
> > >> >> >> are better than the 009 for the advance curve, though both are
> > >> >> >> similar. The 010 and 019 are much better constructed than the
> > >> 009,
> > >> >> >> particulary the Brazilian 009. Parts availability on the 010 and
> > >> 019
> > >> >> >> are a problem though in that the caps, rotors, condensors and
> > >> points
> > >> >> >> are supposedly no longer available.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> My opinion, the best distributor for the money on the later VW
> > >> >> engines
> > >> >> >> with the 34 carb is still one of the centrifugal advance
> > >> >> distributors.
> > >> >> >> However, it is tough to get rid of the flat spot you have from the
> > >> >> >> advance curve being ahead of the carbs ability to supply fuel, or
> > >> >> >> maybe it's the other way around. Daniel Watts at Oakhill Auto in
> > >> >> >> Longview cures this problem by modifying the advance on the 009
> > >> and
> > >> >> it
> > >> >> >> works great. I don't know exactly how he does it, but essentially
> > >> he
> > >> >> >> decreases the total advance on the 009 and then times the initial
> > >> >> >> advance must faster, but with the limited total advance of the
> > >> >> >> distriburtor the total advance at speed is the same. It works
> > >> fine.
> > >> >> >> But a stock 009 with a PIC 34 timed to give total advance of 28-30
> > >> >> >> degrees will not work. You get a tremdous almost stalling flat
> > >> spot
> > >> >> >> on initial acceleration.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> As to your bus with the 34, one of Daniel's modified 009s would
> > >> work
> > >> >> >> fine and probably a lot better than the stock vacuum advance
> > >> >> >> distributor.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Brian Denning <i_am_cool_fred@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >> >> >> Will says they look good on a nostalgic performer??? do
> > >> they
> > >> >> >> perform good? i looked at an old big vacuum advance one at
> > >> a
> > >> >> >> show but i was told that the vacuum curve is alot smaller
> > >> >> than
> > >> >> >> the late model ones that go with the pict 34...is this
> > >> true?
> > >> >> >> what makes 'em so special then? i'm way to late model to
> > >> be
> > >> >> >> sporting one of those on my bus but still, curious minds
> > >> want
> > >> >> >> to know.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> ______________________________________________________
> > >> >> >> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 07:11:17 -0800
> > >> >> >> From: bugcollections@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> >> >> Subject: [tcb] Re: distributors
> > >> >> >> To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Whew! One non-controversial post on distributors
> > >> and
> > >> >> >> I start an argument!
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Eric Woodall <eric@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >> >> >> I have a 010 (bought from Glenn) on my '66
> > >> >> and
> > >> >> >> it is a really great
> > >> >> >> distributer.
> > >> >> >> I feel like he did a good job on it also.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> sammie smith said:
> > >> >> >> > I have an 010 on the 1960 panel bus and
> > >> it
> > >> >> >> works great but is probably a
> > >> >> >> > debatable issue as to whether it is
> > >> totally
> > >> >> >> correct for that engine or
> > >> >> >> > not. I may take one of them, either an
> > >> 010
> > >> >> >> or 019 and try on the baja, at
> > >> >> >> > least just for experimentation on the
> > >> >> >> advance curve.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > None of these distributors appear to
> > >> have
> > >> >> >> any noticeable wear but I plan
> > >> >> >> > to tear them all down and at least get
> > >> them
> > >> >> >> in good operating condition.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > And Will, I don't have any personal
> > >> >> >> experience with the guy you are
> > >> >> >> > talking about (think his name is Glenn)
> > >> but
> > >> >> >> he supposedly pays $60 for a
> > >> >> >> > core 010. If you got that many maybe you
> > >> >> >> ought to sell out and retire.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > Final note: he and some others swear
> > >> that
> > >> >> an
> > >> >> >> 010 or an 019 is a much
> > >> >> >> > better distributor than the 009.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > Will Wood wrote:
> > >> >> >> > I am into old distributors but only for
> > >> >> >> vintage look...
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > The problem with the 010s and the 019s
> > >> is
> > >> >> >> most of them are rusty or are
> > >> >> >> > worn out. What ever you do, don't send
> > >> them
> > >> >> >> to that idiot on theSamba
> > >> >> >> > for "restoration." You can do a better
> > >> job
> > >> >> >> with a can of Krylon.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > Anyway, I have about 30-40 of them about
> > >> 10
> > >> >> >> are rebuilt and that will
> > >> >> >> > probably last me a lifetime.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > If you have an early 36HP bus, they're
> > >> the
> > >> >> >> way to go or if you want a
> > >> >> >> > vintage performance look they're cool.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > On Sun, 2007-11-11 at 16:06 -0800,
> > >> sammie
> > >> >> >> smith wrote:
> > >> >> >> >> Is there anyone on the list who is into
> > >> >> old
> > >> >> >> distributors? Will? I
> > >> >> >> >> managed to acquire some 010's and 019's
> > >> >> and
> > >> >> >> have managed to scrounge
> > >> >> >> >> some NOS caps, rotors, points and
> > >> >> >> condensors for them. Two of the
> > >> >> >> >> 019's are the ones that came in
> > >> screamer
> > >> >> >> kits. My intent is to clean
> > >> >> >> >> them up, make sure they work properly,
> > >> >> keep
> > >> >> >> a couple of them for
> > >> >> >> >> myself and dispose of the rest. Anyone
> > >> >> >> interested or just have any
> > >> >> >> >> input on these guys are welcome to
> > >> >> comment.
> > >> >> >> Yeah I know there is tons
> > >> >> >> >> of data on them on the Samba and I also
> > >> >> >> know what they are worth.
> > >> >> >> >
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> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________
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