[talks-uk] Re: top posting, was telling what version

  • From: "Graham Longly" <longly@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 19:38:52 +0100

Hi all

In all cases please put your reply above the original message.  Cheers!
Graham 

-----Original Message-----
From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke
Sent: 27 August 2010 18:54
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: top posting, was telling what version

Agreed Barry.  I know sighted people do this a lot but it is totally
confusing for a blind person and sadly and regretably as I would have liked
to assist Yvonne, I had to delete it also.

Eleanor
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Hill" <bbinc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 6:30 PM
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: top posting, was telling what version


> Got to say, until I read your message, Eleanor, I thought that it was a
> mistake message from Yvonne, where she'd hit *send* before putting any 
> reply
> after her name.  I just deleted it without reading past the second name.
> When I read your message, I was prompted to read further and found that
> Eyvonne had actually replied after Pete's message.
>
> As far as I know, this is a form of top posting that is not usual on the
> Talks list.  Perhaps a mod can advise.
>
> Cheers
>
> Barry
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Barry
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Eleanor Burke" <eleanorburke@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 5:59 PM
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: telling what version
>
>
> I don't know about anyone else but I find this way of response very
> confusing and I am not inclined to read it.  Would be helpful if there was

> a
> marker of some kind if you need to repeat what was said in the message.
> Well maybe it is just me.
>
> Eleanor
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "yvonne oliver" <yvonne.oliver@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 4:06 PM
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: telling what version
>
>
>> Hi Yvonne
>>
>> hi pete
>>
>> Sounds like you are having fun :-)
>>
>> When pressing Talks plus soft key 2 it did previously say memory card;
>> this feedback was removed in Talks 5 because it was deemed unnecessary 
>> and
>> potentially confusing to users - 90% of the time if a user has a memory
>> card in the phone they will know so they don't need to hear that each 
>> time
>> they do Talks plus soft key2 to hear the signal/battery strength..... So
>> that is why you no longer hear this being spoken now you have Talks 5
>> installed.
>>
>> thanks for that i thought for some reason i had managed to make a default
>> called phone memory instead of the memory card being the default
>> if this was removed from 5 then that is the reason it no longer says
>> memory card when pressing menu plus foft key 2 and not because of
>> something i had done or not done
>>
>> Talks might now read icons that it previously did not, such as Wireless
>> Lan icons on the N86, this is because the Icon identification system in
>> Talks was greatly improved in Talks 5 - a feature that most people 
>> perhaps
>> would not notice or maybe take for granted but it added a great deal of
>> added accessibility.
>>
>> yes in 4 it never said as far as i know wireless lan available
>> if this is because i am in range of a wireless lan location then it must
>> be next door or something because i don't have wireless set up here
>> i also notice that 5 when i press options says audio settings where it 
>> did
>> not in 4
>>
>> This icon is telling you that a Wireless lan connection is available to
>> you.... An icon that helps you know if you are in range of a connection 
>> or
>> that you are connected etc..... (I do not have a N86 but this is how most
>> Nokia's work) the more you use and learn what Talks can do the more you
>> will be like....oooooohhhh I didn't know it did that too :-)
>>
>>
>> with regards to your slider call settings, this should not have been
>> changed by Talks; as I have not used a N86 I'm not sure if this is just a
>> quirk or a bug in the phone and perhaps some others might be able to
>> clarify on this? But look in menu>settings and look for the settings for
>> the slider controls perhaps a N86 user can advise for where to locate the
>> setting (for the N97 slider controls are under a item called phone
>> management in the settings menu)    you may even have some bugs left on
>> the device from the previous user; personally I would reset the whole
>> phone if buying second hand just in case the previous owner inadvertently
>> left something on there but this is not something I would recommend if 
>> you
>> are not experienced and you do not have sighted assistance available
>>
>> the slider location i have found and it is set to the following
>> requirements
>>
>> 1  answer incoming calls on opening
>>
>> 2  end active call when closing
>>
>> 3  lock keypad when closed
>>
>> i tried this out on a bt fixed line phone and when i closed the slider 
>> the
>> bt landline handset went to a dead key tone
>> i also tried it today on another mobile handset with a different number
>> and it terminated the call but i also have my home calls routed through
>> vonage an internet calls provider
>> when i closed the slider the call was not terminated but continued to 
>> ring
>> on the home handset when i opened the slider
>> i wonder if this is because the calls are routed through the internet
>> unlike fixed line and mobile
>>
>>
>> Regarding memory, I believe the N86 has a C: drive, E: Drive and F:
>> drive - C: being phone memory, E: being Mass storage (8GB) and F: being
>> your memory card (16GB probably) - the C: drive is usually quite small 
>> but
>> the difference between Talks 4 and 5 in size is quite unnoticeable so if
>> this is the only thing you have changed it sounds odd..... Perhaps you
>> have things on the C: drive that you don't need and it needs a clean
>> out....
>>
>> you are quite  correct in that it does have 3 drives c e and f and that i
>> do indeed have a 16 gig card installed giving me 24 gig
>> however do you know how much memory the c phone one has?
>> i probably have lots of things on there of which i probably will never
>> even use so i would like to remove them but need to be careful in case
>> they are files for the software or perhaps shared files or something
>> and a
>> I'm basing this on a guess of the location.... But go to
>> menu>applications>office>file manager and you hopefully will see your
>> drives and the size available, press key1 when you are on the C: drive 
>> and
>> choose memory and you should be able to get a list of what kind of items
>> on the phone are taking up what memory..... Just to give you an idea if
>> you are low on memory.
>>
>> If you are low then you need to consider removing anything you do not
>> need.... But that is something that may be good to discuss with Hussein 
>> if
>> you can as he has had a N86 so could go through with you to know what
>> items should and should not be installed for that particular model
>>
>> Hope this helps
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Pete
>> thanks
>> Yvonne
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "DurDevil" <durdevil@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: "Talks-Uk Email group" <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 3:23 PM
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: telling what version
>>
>>
>> Hi Yvonne
>>
>> Sounds like you are having fun :-)
>>
>> When pressing Talks plus soft key 2 it did previously say memory card;
>> this feedback was removed in Talks 5 because it was deemed unnecessary 
>> and
>> potentially confusing to users - 90% of the time if a user has a memory
>> card in the phone they will know so they don't need to hear that each 
>> time
>> they do Talks plus soft key2 to hear the signal/battery strength..... So
>> that is why you no longer hear this being spoken now you have Talks 5
>> installed.
>>
>> Talks might now read icons that it previously did not, such as Wireless
>> Lan icons on the N86, this is because the Icon identification system in
>> Talks was greatly improved in Talks 5 - a feature that most people 
>> perhaps
>> would not notice or maybe take for granted but it added a great deal of
>> added accessibility.
>>
>> This icon is telling you that a Wireless lan connection is available to
>> you.... An icon that helps you know if you are in range of a connection 
>> or
>> that you are connected etc..... (I do not have a N86 but this is how most
>> Nokia's work) the more you use and learn what Talks can do the more you
>> will be like....oooooohhhh I didn't know it did that too :-)
>>
>>
>> with regards to your slider call settings, this should not have been
>> changed by Talks; as I have not used a N86 I'm not sure if this is just a
>> quirk or a bug in the phone and perhaps some others might be able to
>> clarify on this? But look in menu>settings and look for the settings for
>> the slider controls perhaps a N86 user can advise for where to locate the
>> setting (for the N97 slider controls are under a item called phone
>> management in the settings menu)    you may even have some bugs left on
>> the device from the previous user; personally I would reset the whole
>> phone if buying second hand just in case the previous owner inadvertently
>> left something on there but this is not something I would recommend if 
>> you
>> are not experienced and you do not have sighted assistance available
>>
>>
>> Regarding memory, I believe the N86 has a C: drive, E: Drive and F:
>> drive - C: being phone memory, E: being Mass storage (8GB) and F: being
>> your memory card (16GB probably) - the C: drive is usually quite small 
>> but
>> the difference between Talks 4 and 5 in size is quite unnoticeable so if
>> this is the only thing you have changed it sounds odd..... Perhaps you
>> have things on the C: drive that you don't need and it needs a clean
>> out....
>>
>> I'm basing this on a guess of the location.... But go to
>> menu>applications>office>file manager and you hopefully will see your
>> drives and the size available, press key1 when you are on the C: drive 
>> and
>> choose memory and you should be able to get a list of what kind of items
>> on the phone are taking up what memory..... Just to give you an idea if
>> you are low on memory.
>>
>> If you are low then you need to consider removing anything you do not
>> need.... But that is something that may be good to discuss with Hussein 
>> if
>> you can as he has had a N86 so could go through with you to know what
>> items should and should not be installed for that particular model
>>
>> Hope this helps
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Pete
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -original message-
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: telling what version
>> From: "yvonne oliver" <yvonne.oliver@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Date: 27/08/2010 1:22 am
>>
>> hi
>> thank you for reply and the offer to chat in person
>> i may well take this offer up see how we go until the weekend
>> it says wireless lan available when i press the talks key followed by 
>> soft
>> key 2
>> it use to say memory card
>> but now it says wireless lan available
>> i have no idea what is going on here
>> i have noticed 2 other problems
>>
>> 1   when starting up  talks says memory low remove some data from c phone
>> memory
>> then it clicks for a while then when i press the end call button i get
>> talks
>> speaking
>> when it said phone memory i never got it saying memory low or phone 
>> memory
>> so i need to get it back to as it was
>>
>> 2 i have the slider command set to end calls when slider is closed but 
>> for
>> some reason the call remains active
>> the ringing of the phone used to call the mobile goes quiet but when i
>> open
>> the slider the ringing tone on the phone used for calling the mobile
>> continues ringing
>> again like above up until i installed 5 the slider would end the call and
>> the phone used to call the mobile went dead
>> any idea how i can put this right?
>>
>> and of course how can i remove stuff from c when i have no idea what is 
>> on
>> drive c
>> it is supposed to be 8 gig i cant of filled it already
>>
>>
>> but that was before installing 5
>> now when i start the phone it says about
>> Yvonne
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Hussein Patwa" <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 12:38 AM
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: telling what version
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm a little unsure what you mean by the reader saying "phone memory".
>>> It
>>> doesn't do this when the phone starts up, and to my knowledge never has.
>>>
>>> If you mean the location where the application is installed, you would
>>> have to uninstall the application and then reinstall it.  However,
>>> honestly the space saving will not be that noticeable compared to say, 
>>> if
>>> you were talking about QuickOffice.
>>>
>>> As for the difference between versions 4 and 5, 5 supports the mail
>>> client
>>> on the N86, and also of course is the first version to support touch
>>> screen phones, which won't of course apply to the N86.  V5 ships with
>>> updated vocaliser voices which do sound better and have less
>>> pronounciation errors for the corresponding dialects than the v521
>>> vocaliser voices shipped with Talks versions prior to v5.
>>>
>>> For additional information, you may try referring to the release notes
>>> for
>>> the v5 release which may well be floating around somewhere.
>>>
>>> Sorry I can't be of more help, but I'm also in the midst of dealing with
>>> a
>>> bit of a crisis here myself.  However, if there's something
>>> straightforward I can answer for now, I'll be only too glad to help.
>>> Also, an offer I can make you if it's of any help at all, although I'm
>>> sure others on here will have time to help, but if you'd like me to go
>>> over the uninstall and reinstall process in person, I'd be more than
>>> happy
>>> for you to call me over the weekend.  It's quite straightforward, but 
>>> I'm
>>> happy to explain it in more detail if you wish.  Just making that offer
>>> in
>>> case it's of any use.
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>>
>>> H.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, August 27, 2010 12:44 am, yvonne oliver wrote:
>>>> hello
>>>> with the help of Eleanor i now have talks 5
>>>> however there is a problem
>>>> a few days ago i asked about how i could get talks to say phone memory
>>>> instead of memory card when switching the handset on
>>>> since installing 5 the handset now says phone memory
>>>> not sure i want this option now because each time i turn on the phone i
>>>> get low memory remove some things then after a few nasty sounding
>>>> crackles
>>>> i finally get to the reading voice
>>>> how can i go back to where the reader says memory card after start up?
>>>> also 1 other thing
>>>> what is the difference in versions 4 and 5
>>>> in other words what does 5 have that 4 doesn't
>>>> thank you
>>>> Yvonne
>>>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>>>   From: Eleanor Burke
>>>>   To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>   Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:25 PM
>>>>   Subject: [talks-uk] Re: telling what version
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   Well not a problem at all.  Another way to go to Talks is via the
>>>> Menu,
>>>> then Applications and then Talks but the other way is quicker.
>>>>
>>>>   Elelanor
>>>>     ----- Original Message -----
>>>>     From: yvonne oliver
>>>>     To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>     Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:22 PM
>>>>     Subject: [talks-uk] Re: telling what version
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     hi
>>>>     i know but i just for the life of me could not remember
>>>>     these things happen when you lose your sight late in life
>>>>     so used to being fully sighted
>>>>     so trying to remember all things by using screen readers is
>>>> difficult
>>>> so you will have to bear with me
>>>>
>>>>     Yvonne
>>>>       ----- Original Message -----
>>>>       From: Eleanor Burke
>>>>       To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>       Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:18 PM
>>>>       Subject: [talks-uk] Re: telling what version
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>       Go in to Talks by pressing Talks key followed by long press of
>>>> soft
>>>> key one.  Then Options by pressing soft key one.  Arrow up from the
>>>> bottom until you hear About and select that.  It will tell you.  I
>>>> asked you before this past week and you told me you followed my
>>>> instructions and looked it up and it was Talks 4.
>>>>
>>>>       Eleanor
>>>>         ----- Original Message -----
>>>>         From: yvonne oliver
>>>>         To: talks uk
>>>>         Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 8:57 PM
>>>>         Subject: [talks-uk] telling what version
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         hi
>>>>         can someone remind me on how to find out what version of talks 
>>>> i
>>>> currently have installed?
>>>>         thank you
>>>>         Yvonne
>>>
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