Agreed Barry. I know sighted people do this a lot but it is totally confusing for a blind person and sadly and regretably as I would have liked to assist Yvonne, I had to delete it also.
Eleanor----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Hill" <bbinc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 6:30 PM Subject: [talks-uk] Re: top posting, was telling what version
Got to say, until I read your message, Eleanor, I thought that it was amistake message from Yvonne, where she'd hit *send* before putting any replyafter her name. I just deleted it without reading past the second name. When I read your message, I was prompted to read further and found that Eyvonne had actually replied after Pete's message. As far as I know, this is a form of top posting that is not usual on the Talks list. Perhaps a mod can advise. Cheers Barry Cheers Barry----- Original Message ----- From: "Eleanor Burke" <eleanorburke@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 5:59 PM Subject: [talks-uk] Re: telling what version I don't know about anyone else but I find this way of response veryconfusing and I am not inclined to read it. Would be helpful if there was amarker of some kind if you need to repeat what was said in the message. Well maybe it is just me. Eleanor----- Original Message ----- From: "yvonne oliver" <yvonne.oliver@xxxxxxxxxxx>To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 4:06 PM Subject: [talks-uk] Re: telling what versionHi Yvonne hi pete Sounds like you are having fun :-) When pressing Talks plus soft key 2 it did previously say memory card;this feedback was removed in Talks 5 because it was deemed unnecessary andpotentially confusing to users - 90% of the time if a user has a memorycard in the phone they will know so they don't need to hear that each timethey do Talks plus soft key2 to hear the signal/battery strength..... So that is why you no longer hear this being spoken now you have Talks 5 installed. thanks for that i thought for some reason i had managed to make a default called phone memory instead of the memory card being the default if this was removed from 5 then that is the reason it no longer says memory card when pressing menu plus foft key 2 and not because of something i had done or not done Talks might now read icons that it previously did not, such as Wireless Lan icons on the N86, this is because the Icon identification system inTalks was greatly improved in Talks 5 - a feature that most people perhapswould not notice or maybe take for granted but it added a great deal of added accessibility. yes in 4 it never said as far as i know wireless lan available if this is because i am in range of a wireless lan location then it must be next door or something because i don't have wireless set up herei also notice that 5 when i press options says audio settings where it didnot in 4 This icon is telling you that a Wireless lan connection is available toyou.... An icon that helps you know if you are in range of a connection orthat you are connected etc..... (I do not have a N86 but this is how most Nokia's work) the more you use and learn what Talks can do the more you will be like....oooooohhhh I didn't know it did that too :-) with regards to your slider call settings, this should not have been changed by Talks; as I have not used a N86 I'm not sure if this is just a quirk or a bug in the phone and perhaps some others might be able to clarify on this? But look in menu>settings and look for the settings for the slider controls perhaps a N86 user can advise for where to locate the setting (for the N97 slider controls are under a item called phone management in the settings menu) you may even have some bugs left on the device from the previous user; personally I would reset the whole phone if buying second hand just in case the previous owner inadvertentlyleft something on there but this is not something I would recommend if youare not experienced and you do not have sighted assistance available the slider location i have found and it is set to the following requirements 1 answer incoming calls on opening 2 end active call when closing 3 lock keypad when closedi tried this out on a bt fixed line phone and when i closed the slider thebt landline handset went to a dead key tone i also tried it today on another mobile handset with a different number and it terminated the call but i also have my home calls routed through vonage an internet calls providerwhen i closed the slider the call was not terminated but continued to ringon the home handset when i opened the slider i wonder if this is because the calls are routed through the internet unlike fixed line and mobile Regarding memory, I believe the N86 has a C: drive, E: Drive and F: drive - C: being phone memory, E: being Mass storage (8GB) and F: beingyour memory card (16GB probably) - the C: drive is usually quite small butthe difference between Talks 4 and 5 in size is quite unnoticeable so if this is the only thing you have changed it sounds odd..... Perhaps you have things on the C: drive that you don't need and it needs a clean out.... you are quite correct in that it does have 3 drives c e and f and that i do indeed have a 16 gig card installed giving me 24 gig however do you know how much memory the c phone one has? i probably have lots of things on there of which i probably will never even use so i would like to remove them but need to be careful in case they are files for the software or perhaps shared files or something and a I'm basing this on a guess of the location.... But go to menu>applications>office>file manager and you hopefully will see yourdrives and the size available, press key1 when you are on the C: drive andchoose memory and you should be able to get a list of what kind of items on the phone are taking up what memory..... Just to give you an idea if you are low on memory. If you are low then you need to consider removing anything you do notneed.... But that is something that may be good to discuss with Hussein ifyou can as he has had a N86 so could go through with you to know what items should and should not be installed for that particular model Hope this helps Cheers Pete thanks Yvonne----- Original Message ----- From: "DurDevil" <durdevil@xxxxxxxxx>To: "Talks-Uk Email group" <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 3:23 PM Subject: [talks-uk] Re: telling what version Hi Yvonne Sounds like you are having fun :-) When pressing Talks plus soft key 2 it did previously say memory card;this feedback was removed in Talks 5 because it was deemed unnecessary andpotentially confusing to users - 90% of the time if a user has a memorycard in the phone they will know so they don't need to hear that each timethey do Talks plus soft key2 to hear the signal/battery strength..... So that is why you no longer hear this being spoken now you have Talks 5 installed. Talks might now read icons that it previously did not, such as Wireless Lan icons on the N86, this is because the Icon identification system inTalks was greatly improved in Talks 5 - a feature that most people perhapswould not notice or maybe take for granted but it added a great deal of added accessibility. This icon is telling you that a Wireless lan connection is available toyou.... An icon that helps you know if you are in range of a connection orthat you are connected etc..... (I do not have a N86 but this is how most Nokia's work) the more you use and learn what Talks can do the more you will be like....oooooohhhh I didn't know it did that too :-) with regards to your slider call settings, this should not have been changed by Talks; as I have not used a N86 I'm not sure if this is just a quirk or a bug in the phone and perhaps some others might be able to clarify on this? But look in menu>settings and look for the settings for the slider controls perhaps a N86 user can advise for where to locate the setting (for the N97 slider controls are under a item called phone management in the settings menu) you may even have some bugs left on the device from the previous user; personally I would reset the whole phone if buying second hand just in case the previous owner inadvertentlyleft something on there but this is not something I would recommend if youare not experienced and you do not have sighted assistance available Regarding memory, I believe the N86 has a C: drive, E: Drive and F: drive - C: being phone memory, E: being Mass storage (8GB) and F: beingyour memory card (16GB probably) - the C: drive is usually quite small butthe difference between Talks 4 and 5 in size is quite unnoticeable so if this is the only thing you have changed it sounds odd..... Perhaps you have things on the C: drive that you don't need and it needs a clean out.... I'm basing this on a guess of the location.... But go to menu>applications>office>file manager and you hopefully will see yourdrives and the size available, press key1 when you are on the C: drive andchoose memory and you should be able to get a list of what kind of items on the phone are taking up what memory..... Just to give you an idea if you are low on memory. If you are low then you need to consider removing anything you do notneed.... But that is something that may be good to discuss with Hussein ifyou can as he has had a N86 so could go through with you to know what items should and should not be installed for that particular model Hope this helps Cheers Pete -original message- Subject: [talks-uk] Re: telling what version From: "yvonne oliver" <yvonne.oliver@xxxxxxxxxxx> Date: 27/08/2010 1:22 am hi thank you for reply and the offer to chat in person i may well take this offer up see how we go until the weekendit says wireless lan available when i press the talks key followed by softkey 2 it use to say memory card but now it says wireless lan available i have no idea what is going on here i have noticed 2 other problems 1 when starting up talks says memory low remove some data from c phone memory then it clicks for a while then when i press the end call button i get talks speakingwhen it said phone memory i never got it saying memory low or phone memoryso i need to get it back to as it was2 i have the slider command set to end calls when slider is closed but forsome reason the call remains active the ringing of the phone used to call the mobile goes quiet but when i open the slider the ringing tone on the phone used for calling the mobile continues ringing again like above up until i installed 5 the slider would end the call and the phone used to call the mobile went dead any idea how i can put this right?and of course how can i remove stuff from c when i have no idea what is ondrive c it is supposed to be 8 gig i cant of filled it already but that was before installing 5 now when i start the phone it says about Yvonne----- Original Message ----- From: "Hussein Patwa" <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 12:38 AM Subject: [talks-uk] Re: telling what versionHi, I'm a little unsure what you mean by the reader saying "phone memory". It doesn't do this when the phone starts up, and to my knowledge never has. If you mean the location where the application is installed, you would have to uninstall the application and then reinstall it. However,honestly the space saving will not be that noticeable compared to say, ifyou were talking about QuickOffice. As for the difference between versions 4 and 5, 5 supports the mail client on the N86, and also of course is the first version to support touch screen phones, which won't of course apply to the N86. V5 ships with updated vocaliser voices which do sound better and have less pronounciation errors for the corresponding dialects than the v521 vocaliser voices shipped with Talks versions prior to v5. For additional information, you may try referring to the release notes for the v5 release which may well be floating around somewhere. Sorry I can't be of more help, but I'm also in the midst of dealing with a bit of a crisis here myself. However, if there's something straightforward I can answer for now, I'll be only too glad to help. Also, an offer I can make you if it's of any help at all, although I'm sure others on here will have time to help, but if you'd like me to go over the uninstall and reinstall process in person, I'd be more than happyfor you to call me over the weekend. It's quite straightforward, but I'mhappy to explain it in more detail if you wish. Just making that offer in case it's of any use. All the best, H. On Fri, August 27, 2010 12:44 am, yvonne oliver wrote:hello with the help of Eleanor i now have talks 5 however there is a problem a few days ago i asked about how i could get talks to say phone memory instead of memory card when switching the handset on since installing 5 the handset now says phone memory not sure i want this option now because each time i turn on the phone i get low memory remove some things then after a few nasty sounding crackles i finally get to the reading voice how can i go back to where the reader says memory card after start up? also 1 other thing what is the difference in versions 4 and 5 in other words what does 5 have that 4 doesn't thank you Yvonne ----- Original Message ----- From: Eleanor Burke To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:25 PM Subject: [talks-uk] Re: telling what version Well not a problem at all. Another way to go to Talks is via the Menu, then Applications and then Talks but the other way is quicker. Elelanor ----- Original Message ----- From: yvonne oliver To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:22 PM Subject: [talks-uk] Re: telling what version hi i know but i just for the life of me could not remember these things happen when you lose your sight late in life so used to being fully sighted so trying to remember all things by using screen readers is difficult so you will have to bear with me Yvonne ----- Original Message ----- From: Eleanor Burke To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:18 PM Subject: [talks-uk] Re: telling what version Go in to Talks by pressing Talks key followed by long press of soft key one. Then Options by pressing soft key one. Arrow up from the bottom until you hear About and select that. It will tell you. I asked you before this past week and you told me you followed my instructions and looked it up and it was Talks 4. Eleanor ----- Original Message ----- From: yvonne oliver To: talks uk Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 8:57 PM Subject: [talks-uk] telling what version hican someone remind me on how to find out what version of talks icurrently have installed? thank you Yvonne_______________________________________ Have a pleasant day, Kind Regards and Best Wishes, Hussein. Hussein Patwa Tel: 0789 47 595 62 (UK) Tel: +44 (0)122 4433 954 (SIP) Skype: patwaspotterfan2 GoogleTalk: thewanderingwriter Web: www.patwanet.co.uk My Blog: http://patwaspotterfan.livejournal.com Find me on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=510013486 Please note: For security reasons calls from witheld numbers may not be connected. Please release your number so it can be viewed prior tocalling. Contact your telephone service provider for advice on how to dothis if required. All calls may be recorded for fact verification. 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