[talks-uk] Re: top posting, was telling what version

  • From: susan mcdonald <susan.mcdonald119@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 20:13:10 +0100

Yvonne,
What I do when answering a long Email is open up a word document and
type my reply there and when I'm satisfied I copy and paste it into
the reply of the email, and it is a lot faster to alt, tab, between
the document and email than scrolling up and down in an email.  hth

On 8/27/10, Bardia zakeri <bardiazakeri@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>   Eleanor Burke skrev 2010-08-27 20:35:
>> Fair enough, up to you but there are probably others like me who find
>> it confusing and hence you may not get fully replies.  Surely your
>> message is in the thread below.
>>
>> Eleanor
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "yvonne oliver"
>> <yvonne.oliver@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 7:20 PM
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: top posting, was telling what version
>>
>>
>>> hi
>>> if this is because i wrote between lines of text from the other
>>> person i do it when there is a lot to reply to
>>> this is easier and less chance of leaving something out
>>> Yvonne
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eleanor Burke"
>>> <eleanorburke@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 6:53 PM
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: top posting, was telling what version
>>>
>>>
>>>> Agreed Barry.  I know sighted people do this a lot but it is totally
>>>> confusing for a blind person and sadly and regretably as I would
>>>> have liked to assist Yvonne, I had to delete it also.
>>>>
>>>> Eleanor
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Hill" <bbinc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 6:30 PM
>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: top posting, was telling what version
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Got to say, until I read your message, Eleanor, I thought that it
>>>>> was a
>>>>> mistake message from Yvonne, where she'd hit *send* before putting
>>>>> any reply
>>>>> after her name.  I just deleted it without reading past the second
>>>>> name.
>>>>> When I read your message, I was prompted to read further and found
>>>>> that
>>>>> Eyvonne had actually replied after Pete's message.
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as I know, this is a form of top posting that is not usual
>>>>> on the
>>>>> Talks list.  Perhaps a mod can advise.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>
>>>>> Barry
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>
>>>>> Barry
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eleanor Burke"
>>>>> <eleanorburke@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 5:59 PM
>>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: telling what version
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know about anyone else but I find this way of response very
>>>>> confusing and I am not inclined to read it.  Would be helpful if
>>>>> there was a
>>>>> marker of some kind if you need to repeat what was said in the
>>>>> message.
>>>>> Well maybe it is just me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Eleanor
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "yvonne oliver"
>>>>> <yvonne.oliver@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 4:06 PM
>>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: telling what version
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Yvonne
>>>>>>
>>>>>> hi pete
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sounds like you are having fun :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When pressing Talks plus soft key 2 it did previously say memory
>>>>>> card;
>>>>>> this feedback was removed in Talks 5 because it was deemed
>>>>>> unnecessary and
>>>>>> potentially confusing to users - 90% of the time if a user has a
>>>>>> memory
>>>>>> card in the phone they will know so they don't need to hear that
>>>>>> each time
>>>>>> they do Talks plus soft key2 to hear the signal/battery
>>>>>> strength..... So
>>>>>> that is why you no longer hear this being spoken now you have Talks 5
>>>>>> installed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks for that i thought for some reason i had managed to make a
>>>>>> default
>>>>>> called phone memory instead of the memory card being the default
>>>>>> if this was removed from 5 then that is the reason it no longer says
>>>>>> memory card when pressing menu plus foft key 2 and not because of
>>>>>> something i had done or not done
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Talks might now read icons that it previously did not, such as
>>>>>> Wireless
>>>>>> Lan icons on the N86, this is because the Icon identification
>>>>>> system in
>>>>>> Talks was greatly improved in Talks 5 - a feature that most people
>>>>>> perhaps
>>>>>> would not notice or maybe take for granted but it added a great
>>>>>> deal of
>>>>>> added accessibility.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> yes in 4 it never said as far as i know wireless lan available
>>>>>> if this is because i am in range of a wireless lan location then
>>>>>> it must
>>>>>> be next door or something because i don't have wireless set up here
>>>>>> i also notice that 5 when i press options says audio settings
>>>>>> where it did
>>>>>> not in 4
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This icon is telling you that a Wireless lan connection is
>>>>>> available to
>>>>>> you.... An icon that helps you know if you are in range of a
>>>>>> connection or
>>>>>> that you are connected etc..... (I do not have a N86 but this is
>>>>>> how most
>>>>>> Nokia's work) the more you use and learn what Talks can do the
>>>>>> more you
>>>>>> will be like....oooooohhhh I didn't know it did that too :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> with regards to your slider call settings, this should not have been
>>>>>> changed by Talks; as I have not used a N86 I'm not sure if this is
>>>>>> just a
>>>>>> quirk or a bug in the phone and perhaps some others might be able to
>>>>>> clarify on this? But look in menu>settings and look for the
>>>>>> settings for
>>>>>> the slider controls perhaps a N86 user can advise for where to
>>>>>> locate the
>>>>>> setting (for the N97 slider controls are under a item called phone
>>>>>> management in the settings menu)    you may even have some bugs
>>>>>> left on
>>>>>> the device from the previous user; personally I would reset the whole
>>>>>> phone if buying second hand just in case the previous owner
>>>>>> inadvertently
>>>>>> left something on there but this is not something I would
>>>>>> recommend if you
>>>>>> are not experienced and you do not have sighted assistance available
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the slider location i have found and it is set to the following
>>>>>> requirements
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1  answer incoming calls on opening
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2  end active call when closing
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3  lock keypad when closed
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i tried this out on a bt fixed line phone and when i closed the
>>>>>> slider the
>>>>>> bt landline handset went to a dead key tone
>>>>>> i also tried it today on another mobile handset with a different
>>>>>> number
>>>>>> and it terminated the call but i also have my home calls routed
>>>>>> through
>>>>>> vonage an internet calls provider
>>>>>> when i closed the slider the call was not terminated but continued
>>>>>> to ring
>>>>>> on the home handset when i opened the slider
>>>>>> i wonder if this is because the calls are routed through the internet
>>>>>> unlike fixed line and mobile
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regarding memory, I believe the N86 has a C: drive, E: Drive and F:
>>>>>> drive - C: being phone memory, E: being Mass storage (8GB) and F:
>>>>>> being
>>>>>> your memory card (16GB probably) - the C: drive is usually quite
>>>>>> small but
>>>>>> the difference between Talks 4 and 5 in size is quite unnoticeable
>>>>>> so if
>>>>>> this is the only thing you have changed it sounds odd..... Perhaps
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> have things on the C: drive that you don't need and it needs a clean
>>>>>> out....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you are quite  correct in that it does have 3 drives c e and f and
>>>>>> that i
>>>>>> do indeed have a 16 gig card installed giving me 24 gig
>>>>>> however do you know how much memory the c phone one has?
>>>>>> i probably have lots of things on there of which i probably will
>>>>>> never
>>>>>> even use so i would like to remove them but need to be careful in
>>>>>> case
>>>>>> they are files for the software or perhaps shared files or something
>>>>>> and a
>>>>>> I'm basing this on a guess of the location.... But go to
>>>>>> menu>applications>office>file manager and you hopefully will see your
>>>>>> drives and the size available, press key1 when you are on the C:
>>>>>> drive and
>>>>>> choose memory and you should be able to get a list of what kind of
>>>>>> items
>>>>>> on the phone are taking up what memory..... Just to give you an
>>>>>> idea if
>>>>>> you are low on memory.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you are low then you need to consider removing anything you do not
>>>>>> need.... But that is something that may be good to discuss with
>>>>>> Hussein if
>>>>>> you can as he has had a N86 so could go through with you to know what
>>>>>> items should and should not be installed for that particular model
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope this helps
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pete
>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>> Yvonne
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "DurDevil" <durdevil@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To: "Talks-Uk Email group" <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 3:23 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: telling what version
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Yvonne
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sounds like you are having fun :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When pressing Talks plus soft key 2 it did previously say memory
>>>>>> card;
>>>>>> this feedback was removed in Talks 5 because it was deemed
>>>>>> unnecessary and
>>>>>> potentially confusing to users - 90% of the time if a user has a
>>>>>> memory
>>>>>> card in the phone they will know so they don't need to hear that
>>>>>> each time
>>>>>> they do Talks plus soft key2 to hear the signal/battery
>>>>>> strength..... So
>>>>>> that is why you no longer hear this being spoken now you have Talks 5
>>>>>> installed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Talks might now read icons that it previously did not, such as
>>>>>> Wireless
>>>>>> Lan icons on the N86, this is because the Icon identification
>>>>>> system in
>>>>>> Talks was greatly improved in Talks 5 - a feature that most people
>>>>>> perhaps
>>>>>> would not notice or maybe take for granted but it added a great
>>>>>> deal of
>>>>>> added accessibility.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This icon is telling you that a Wireless lan connection is
>>>>>> available to
>>>>>> you.... An icon that helps you know if you are in range of a
>>>>>> connection or
>>>>>> that you are connected etc..... (I do not have a N86 but this is
>>>>>> how most
>>>>>> Nokia's work) the more you use and learn what Talks can do the
>>>>>> more you
>>>>>> will be like....oooooohhhh I didn't know it did that too :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> with regards to your slider call settings, this should not have been
>>>>>> changed by Talks; as I have not used a N86 I'm not sure if this is
>>>>>> just a
>>>>>> quirk or a bug in the phone and perhaps some others might be able to
>>>>>> clarify on this? But look in menu>settings and look for the
>>>>>> settings for
>>>>>> the slider controls perhaps a N86 user can advise for where to
>>>>>> locate the
>>>>>> setting (for the N97 slider controls are under a item called phone
>>>>>> management in the settings menu)    you may even have some bugs
>>>>>> left on
>>>>>> the device from the previous user; personally I would reset the whole
>>>>>> phone if buying second hand just in case the previous owner
>>>>>> inadvertently
>>>>>> left something on there but this is not something I would
>>>>>> recommend if you
>>>>>> are not experienced and you do not have sighted assistance available
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regarding memory, I believe the N86 has a C: drive, E: Drive and F:
>>>>>> drive - C: being phone memory, E: being Mass storage (8GB) and F:
>>>>>> being
>>>>>> your memory card (16GB probably) - the C: drive is usually quite
>>>>>> small but
>>>>>> the difference between Talks 4 and 5 in size is quite unnoticeable
>>>>>> so if
>>>>>> this is the only thing you have changed it sounds odd..... Perhaps
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> have things on the C: drive that you don't need and it needs a clean
>>>>>> out....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm basing this on a guess of the location.... But go to
>>>>>> menu>applications>office>file manager and you hopefully will see your
>>>>>> drives and the size available, press key1 when you are on the C:
>>>>>> drive and
>>>>>> choose memory and you should be able to get a list of what kind of
>>>>>> items
>>>>>> on the phone are taking up what memory..... Just to give you an
>>>>>> idea if
>>>>>> you are low on memory.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you are low then you need to consider removing anything you do not
>>>>>> need.... But that is something that may be good to discuss with
>>>>>> Hussein if
>>>>>> you can as he has had a N86 so could go through with you to know what
>>>>>> items should and should not be installed for that particular model
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope this helps
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pete
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -original message-
>>>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: telling what version
>>>>>> From: "yvonne oliver" <yvonne.oliver@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Date: 27/08/2010 1:22 am
>>>>>>
>>>>>> hi
>>>>>> thank you for reply and the offer to chat in person
>>>>>> i may well take this offer up see how we go until the weekend
>>>>>> it says wireless lan available when i press the talks key followed
>>>>>> by soft
>>>>>> key 2
>>>>>> it use to say memory card
>>>>>> but now it says wireless lan available
>>>>>> i have no idea what is going on here
>>>>>> i have noticed 2 other problems
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1   when starting up  talks says memory low remove some data from
>>>>>> c phone
>>>>>> memory
>>>>>> then it clicks for a while then when i press the end call button i
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> talks
>>>>>> speaking
>>>>>> when it said phone memory i never got it saying memory low or
>>>>>> phone memory
>>>>>> so i need to get it back to as it was
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2 i have the slider command set to end calls when slider is closed
>>>>>> but for
>>>>>> some reason the call remains active
>>>>>> the ringing of the phone used to call the mobile goes quiet but
>>>>>> when i
>>>>>> open
>>>>>> the slider the ringing tone on the phone used for calling the mobile
>>>>>> continues ringing
>>>>>> again like above up until i installed 5 the slider would end the
>>>>>> call and
>>>>>> the phone used to call the mobile went dead
>>>>>> any idea how i can put this right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and of course how can i remove stuff from c when i have no idea
>>>>>> what is on
>>>>>> drive c
>>>>>> it is supposed to be 8 gig i cant of filled it already
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> but that was before installing 5
>>>>>> now when i start the phone it says about
>>>>>> Yvonne
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hussein Patwa"
>>>>>> <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 12:38 AM
>>>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: telling what version
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm a little unsure what you mean by the reader saying "phone
>>>>>>> memory".
>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>> doesn't do this when the phone starts up, and to my knowledge
>>>>>>> never has.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you mean the location where the application is installed, you
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>> have to uninstall the application and then reinstall it.  However,
>>>>>>> honestly the space saving will not be that noticeable compared to
>>>>>>> say, if
>>>>>>> you were talking about QuickOffice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As for the difference between versions 4 and 5, 5 supports the mail
>>>>>>> client
>>>>>>> on the N86, and also of course is the first version to support touch
>>>>>>> screen phones, which won't of course apply to the N86.  V5 ships
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> updated vocaliser voices which do sound better and have less
>>>>>>> pronounciation errors for the corresponding dialects than the v521
>>>>>>> vocaliser voices shipped with Talks versions prior to v5.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For additional information, you may try referring to the release
>>>>>>> notes
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> the v5 release which may well be floating around somewhere.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry I can't be of more help, but I'm also in the midst of
>>>>>>> dealing with
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> bit of a crisis here myself.  However, if there's something
>>>>>>> straightforward I can answer for now, I'll be only too glad to help.
>>>>>>> Also, an offer I can make you if it's of any help at all,
>>>>>>> although I'm
>>>>>>> sure others on here will have time to help, but if you'd like me
>>>>>>> to go
>>>>>>> over the uninstall and reinstall process in person, I'd be more than
>>>>>>> happy
>>>>>>> for you to call me over the weekend.  It's quite straightforward,
>>>>>>> but I'm
>>>>>>> happy to explain it in more detail if you wish.  Just making that
>>>>>>> offer
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> case it's of any use.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> H.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, August 27, 2010 12:44 am, yvonne oliver wrote:
>>>>>>>> hello
>>>>>>>> with the help of Eleanor i now have talks 5
>>>>>>>> however there is a problem
>>>>>>>> a few days ago i asked about how i could get talks to say phone
>>>>>>>> memory
>>>>>>>> instead of memory card when switching the handset on
>>>>>>>> since installing 5 the handset now says phone memory
>>>>>>>> not sure i want this option now because each time i turn on the
>>>>>>>> phone i
>>>>>>>> get low memory remove some things then after a few nasty sounding
>>>>>>>> crackles
>>>>>>>> i finally get to the reading voice
>>>>>>>> how can i go back to where the reader says memory card after
>>>>>>>> start up?
>>>>>>>> also 1 other thing
>>>>>>>> what is the difference in versions 4 and 5
>>>>>>>> in other words what does 5 have that 4 doesn't
>>>>>>>> thank you
>>>>>>>> Yvonne
>>>>>>>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>   From: Eleanor Burke
>>>>>>>>   To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>   Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:25 PM
>>>>>>>>   Subject: [talks-uk] Re: telling what version
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   Well not a problem at all.  Another way to go to Talks is via the
>>>>>>>> Menu,
>>>>>>>> then Applications and then Talks but the other way is quicker.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   Elelanor
>>>>>>>>     ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>     From: yvonne oliver
>>>>>>>>     To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>     Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:22 PM
>>>>>>>>     Subject: [talks-uk] Re: telling what version
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     hi
>>>>>>>>     i know but i just for the life of me could not remember
>>>>>>>>     these things happen when you lose your sight late in life
>>>>>>>>     so used to being fully sighted
>>>>>>>>     so trying to remember all things by using screen readers is
>>>>>>>> difficult
>>>>>>>> so you will have to bear with me
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     Yvonne
>>>>>>>>       ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>       From: Eleanor Burke
>>>>>>>>       To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>       Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:18 PM
>>>>>>>>       Subject: [talks-uk] Re: telling what version
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>       Go in to Talks by pressing Talks key followed by long
>>>>>>>> press of
>>>>>>>> soft
>>>>>>>> key one.  Then Options by pressing soft key one.  Arrow up from the
>>>>>>>> bottom until you hear About and select that.  It will tell you.  I
>>>>>>>> asked you before this past week and you told me you followed my
>>>>>>>> instructions and looked it up and it was Talks 4.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>       Eleanor
>>>>>>>>         ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>         From: yvonne oliver
>>>>>>>>         To: talks uk
>>>>>>>>         Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 8:57 PM
>>>>>>>>         Subject: [talks-uk] telling what version
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         hi
>>>>>>>>         can someone remind me on how to find out what version of
>>>>>>>> talks i
>>>>>>>> currently have installed?
>>>>>>>>         thank you
>>>>>>>>         Yvonne
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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