[talks-uk] Re: top posting, was telling what version

  • From: "Barry Hill" <bbinc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 19:44:38 +0100

Hi Yvonne

It's nothing against you, and I sincerely apologise, but I'll probably not 
read your messages if they are in that format.  I have too many emails a day 
to try to figure out what is happening in one of them if it's not in a 
familiar format.

Just out of curiosity, do you use a screen reader to read the messages?

Cheers

Barry

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "yvonne oliver" <yvonne.oliver@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 7:20 PM
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: top posting, was telling what version


hi
if this is because i wrote between lines of text from the other person i do
it when there is a lot to reply to
this is easier and less chance of leaving something out
Yvonne
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eleanor Burke" <eleanorburke@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 6:53 PM
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: top posting, was telling what version


> Agreed Barry.  I know sighted people do this a lot but it is totally
> confusing for a blind person and sadly and regretably as I would have
> liked to assist Yvonne, I had to delete it also.
>
> Eleanor
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Barry Hill" <bbinc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 6:30 PM
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: top posting, was telling what version
>
>
>> Got to say, until I read your message, Eleanor, I thought that it was a
>> mistake message from Yvonne, where she'd hit *send* before putting any
>> reply
>> after her name.  I just deleted it without reading past the second name.
>> When I read your message, I was prompted to read further and found that
>> Eyvonne had actually replied after Pete's message.
>>
>> As far as I know, this is a form of top posting that is not usual on the
>> Talks list.  Perhaps a mod can advise.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Barry
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Barry
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Eleanor Burke" <eleanorburke@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 5:59 PM
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: telling what version
>>
>>
>> I don't know about anyone else but I find this way of response very
>> confusing and I am not inclined to read it.  Would be helpful if there
>> was a
>> marker of some kind if you need to repeat what was said in the message.
>> Well maybe it is just me.
>>
>> Eleanor
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "yvonne oliver" <yvonne.oliver@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 4:06 PM
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: telling what version
>>
>>
>>> Hi Yvonne
>>>
>>> hi pete
>>>
>>> Sounds like you are having fun :-)
>>>
>>> When pressing Talks plus soft key 2 it did previously say memory card;
>>> this feedback was removed in Talks 5 because it was deemed unnecessary
>>> and
>>> potentially confusing to users - 90% of the time if a user has a memory
>>> card in the phone they will know so they don't need to hear that each
>>> time
>>> they do Talks plus soft key2 to hear the signal/battery strength..... So
>>> that is why you no longer hear this being spoken now you have Talks 5
>>> installed.
>>>
>>> thanks for that i thought for some reason i had managed to make a
>>> default
>>> called phone memory instead of the memory card being the default
>>> if this was removed from 5 then that is the reason it no longer says
>>> memory card when pressing menu plus foft key 2 and not because of
>>> something i had done or not done
>>>
>>> Talks might now read icons that it previously did not, such as Wireless
>>> Lan icons on the N86, this is because the Icon identification system in
>>> Talks was greatly improved in Talks 5 - a feature that most people
>>> perhaps
>>> would not notice or maybe take for granted but it added a great deal of
>>> added accessibility.
>>>
>>> yes in 4 it never said as far as i know wireless lan available
>>> if this is because i am in range of a wireless lan location then it must
>>> be next door or something because i don't have wireless set up here
>>> i also notice that 5 when i press options says audio settings where it
>>> did
>>> not in 4
>>>
>>> This icon is telling you that a Wireless lan connection is available to
>>> you.... An icon that helps you know if you are in range of a connection
>>> or
>>> that you are connected etc..... (I do not have a N86 but this is how
>>> most
>>> Nokia's work) the more you use and learn what Talks can do the more you
>>> will be like....oooooohhhh I didn't know it did that too :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> with regards to your slider call settings, this should not have been
>>> changed by Talks; as I have not used a N86 I'm not sure if this is just
>>> a
>>> quirk or a bug in the phone and perhaps some others might be able to
>>> clarify on this? But look in menu>settings and look for the settings for
>>> the slider controls perhaps a N86 user can advise for where to locate
>>> the
>>> setting (for the N97 slider controls are under a item called phone
>>> management in the settings menu)    you may even have some bugs left on
>>> the device from the previous user; personally I would reset the whole
>>> phone if buying second hand just in case the previous owner
>>> inadvertently
>>> left something on there but this is not something I would recommend if
>>> you
>>> are not experienced and you do not have sighted assistance available
>>>
>>> the slider location i have found and it is set to the following
>>> requirements
>>>
>>> 1  answer incoming calls on opening
>>>
>>> 2  end active call when closing
>>>
>>> 3  lock keypad when closed
>>>
>>> i tried this out on a bt fixed line phone and when i closed the slider
>>> the
>>> bt landline handset went to a dead key tone
>>> i also tried it today on another mobile handset with a different number
>>> and it terminated the call but i also have my home calls routed through
>>> vonage an internet calls provider
>>> when i closed the slider the call was not terminated but continued to
>>> ring
>>> on the home handset when i opened the slider
>>> i wonder if this is because the calls are routed through the internet
>>> unlike fixed line and mobile
>>>
>>>
>>> Regarding memory, I believe the N86 has a C: drive, E: Drive and F:
>>> drive - C: being phone memory, E: being Mass storage (8GB) and F: being
>>> your memory card (16GB probably) - the C: drive is usually quite small
>>> but
>>> the difference between Talks 4 and 5 in size is quite unnoticeable so if
>>> this is the only thing you have changed it sounds odd..... Perhaps you
>>> have things on the C: drive that you don't need and it needs a clean
>>> out....
>>>
>>> you are quite  correct in that it does have 3 drives c e and f and that
>>> i
>>> do indeed have a 16 gig card installed giving me 24 gig
>>> however do you know how much memory the c phone one has?
>>> i probably have lots of things on there of which i probably will never
>>> even use so i would like to remove them but need to be careful in case
>>> they are files for the software or perhaps shared files or something
>>> and a
>>> I'm basing this on a guess of the location.... But go to
>>> menu>applications>office>file manager and you hopefully will see your
>>> drives and the size available, press key1 when you are on the C: drive
>>> and
>>> choose memory and you should be able to get a list of what kind of items
>>> on the phone are taking up what memory..... Just to give you an idea if
>>> you are low on memory.
>>>
>>> If you are low then you need to consider removing anything you do not
>>> need.... But that is something that may be good to discuss with Hussein
>>> if
>>> you can as he has had a N86 so could go through with you to know what
>>> items should and should not be installed for that particular model
>>>
>>> Hope this helps
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Pete
>>> thanks
>>> Yvonne
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "DurDevil" <durdevil@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: "Talks-Uk Email group" <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 3:23 PM
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: telling what version
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Yvonne
>>>
>>> Sounds like you are having fun :-)
>>>
>>> When pressing Talks plus soft key 2 it did previously say memory card;
>>> this feedback was removed in Talks 5 because it was deemed unnecessary
>>> and
>>> potentially confusing to users - 90% of the time if a user has a memory
>>> card in the phone they will know so they don't need to hear that each
>>> time
>>> they do Talks plus soft key2 to hear the signal/battery strength..... So
>>> that is why you no longer hear this being spoken now you have Talks 5
>>> installed.
>>>
>>> Talks might now read icons that it previously did not, such as Wireless
>>> Lan icons on the N86, this is because the Icon identification system in
>>> Talks was greatly improved in Talks 5 - a feature that most people
>>> perhaps
>>> would not notice or maybe take for granted but it added a great deal of
>>> added accessibility.
>>>
>>> This icon is telling you that a Wireless lan connection is available to
>>> you.... An icon that helps you know if you are in range of a connection
>>> or
>>> that you are connected etc..... (I do not have a N86 but this is how
>>> most
>>> Nokia's work) the more you use and learn what Talks can do the more you
>>> will be like....oooooohhhh I didn't know it did that too :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> with regards to your slider call settings, this should not have been
>>> changed by Talks; as I have not used a N86 I'm not sure if this is just
>>> a
>>> quirk or a bug in the phone and perhaps some others might be able to
>>> clarify on this? But look in menu>settings and look for the settings for
>>> the slider controls perhaps a N86 user can advise for where to locate
>>> the
>>> setting (for the N97 slider controls are under a item called phone
>>> management in the settings menu)    you may even have some bugs left on
>>> the device from the previous user; personally I would reset the whole
>>> phone if buying second hand just in case the previous owner
>>> inadvertently
>>> left something on there but this is not something I would recommend if
>>> you
>>> are not experienced and you do not have sighted assistance available
>>>
>>>
>>> Regarding memory, I believe the N86 has a C: drive, E: Drive and F:
>>> drive - C: being phone memory, E: being Mass storage (8GB) and F: being
>>> your memory card (16GB probably) - the C: drive is usually quite small
>>> but
>>> the difference between Talks 4 and 5 in size is quite unnoticeable so if
>>> this is the only thing you have changed it sounds odd..... Perhaps you
>>> have things on the C: drive that you don't need and it needs a clean
>>> out....
>>>
>>> I'm basing this on a guess of the location.... But go to
>>> menu>applications>office>file manager and you hopefully will see your
>>> drives and the size available, press key1 when you are on the C: drive
>>> and
>>> choose memory and you should be able to get a list of what kind of items
>>> on the phone are taking up what memory..... Just to give you an idea if
>>> you are low on memory.
>>>
>>> If you are low then you need to consider removing anything you do not
>>> need.... But that is something that may be good to discuss with Hussein
>>> if
>>> you can as he has had a N86 so could go through with you to know what
>>> items should and should not be installed for that particular model
>>>
>>> Hope this helps
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Pete
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -original message-
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: telling what version
>>> From: "yvonne oliver" <yvonne.oliver@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Date: 27/08/2010 1:22 am
>>>
>>> hi
>>> thank you for reply and the offer to chat in person
>>> i may well take this offer up see how we go until the weekend
>>> it says wireless lan available when i press the talks key followed by
>>> soft
>>> key 2
>>> it use to say memory card
>>> but now it says wireless lan available
>>> i have no idea what is going on here
>>> i have noticed 2 other problems
>>>
>>> 1   when starting up  talks says memory low remove some data from c
>>> phone
>>> memory
>>> then it clicks for a while then when i press the end call button i get
>>> talks
>>> speaking
>>> when it said phone memory i never got it saying memory low or phone
>>> memory
>>> so i need to get it back to as it was
>>>
>>> 2 i have the slider command set to end calls when slider is closed but
>>> for
>>> some reason the call remains active
>>> the ringing of the phone used to call the mobile goes quiet but when i
>>> open
>>> the slider the ringing tone on the phone used for calling the mobile
>>> continues ringing
>>> again like above up until i installed 5 the slider would end the call
>>> and
>>> the phone used to call the mobile went dead
>>> any idea how i can put this right?
>>>
>>> and of course how can i remove stuff from c when i have no idea what is
>>> on
>>> drive c
>>> it is supposed to be 8 gig i cant of filled it already
>>>
>>>
>>> but that was before installing 5
>>> now when i start the phone it says about
>>> Yvonne
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Hussein Patwa" <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 12:38 AM
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: telling what version
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I'm a little unsure what you mean by the reader saying "phone memory".
>>>> It
>>>> doesn't do this when the phone starts up, and to my knowledge never
>>>> has.
>>>>
>>>> If you mean the location where the application is installed, you would
>>>> have to uninstall the application and then reinstall it.  However,
>>>> honestly the space saving will not be that noticeable compared to say,
>>>> if
>>>> you were talking about QuickOffice.
>>>>
>>>> As for the difference between versions 4 and 5, 5 supports the mail
>>>> client
>>>> on the N86, and also of course is the first version to support touch
>>>> screen phones, which won't of course apply to the N86.  V5 ships with
>>>> updated vocaliser voices which do sound better and have less
>>>> pronounciation errors for the corresponding dialects than the v521
>>>> vocaliser voices shipped with Talks versions prior to v5.
>>>>
>>>> For additional information, you may try referring to the release notes
>>>> for
>>>> the v5 release which may well be floating around somewhere.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry I can't be of more help, but I'm also in the midst of dealing
>>>> with
>>>> a
>>>> bit of a crisis here myself.  However, if there's something
>>>> straightforward I can answer for now, I'll be only too glad to help.
>>>> Also, an offer I can make you if it's of any help at all, although I'm
>>>> sure others on here will have time to help, but if you'd like me to go
>>>> over the uninstall and reinstall process in person, I'd be more than
>>>> happy
>>>> for you to call me over the weekend.  It's quite straightforward, but
>>>> I'm
>>>> happy to explain it in more detail if you wish.  Just making that offer
>>>> in
>>>> case it's of any use.
>>>>
>>>> All the best,
>>>>
>>>> H.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, August 27, 2010 12:44 am, yvonne oliver wrote:
>>>>> hello
>>>>> with the help of Eleanor i now have talks 5
>>>>> however there is a problem
>>>>> a few days ago i asked about how i could get talks to say phone memory
>>>>> instead of memory card when switching the handset on
>>>>> since installing 5 the handset now says phone memory
>>>>> not sure i want this option now because each time i turn on the phone
>>>>> i
>>>>> get low memory remove some things then after a few nasty sounding
>>>>> crackles
>>>>> i finally get to the reading voice
>>>>> how can i go back to where the reader says memory card after start up?
>>>>> also 1 other thing
>>>>> what is the difference in versions 4 and 5
>>>>> in other words what does 5 have that 4 doesn't
>>>>> thank you
>>>>> Yvonne
>>>>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>   From: Eleanor Burke
>>>>>   To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>   Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:25 PM
>>>>>   Subject: [talks-uk] Re: telling what version
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   Well not a problem at all.  Another way to go to Talks is via the
>>>>> Menu,
>>>>> then Applications and then Talks but the other way is quicker.
>>>>>
>>>>>   Elelanor
>>>>>     ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>     From: yvonne oliver
>>>>>     To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>     Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:22 PM
>>>>>     Subject: [talks-uk] Re: telling what version
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     hi
>>>>>     i know but i just for the life of me could not remember
>>>>>     these things happen when you lose your sight late in life
>>>>>     so used to being fully sighted
>>>>>     so trying to remember all things by using screen readers is
>>>>> difficult
>>>>> so you will have to bear with me
>>>>>
>>>>>     Yvonne
>>>>>       ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>       From: Eleanor Burke
>>>>>       To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>       Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:18 PM
>>>>>       Subject: [talks-uk] Re: telling what version
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>       Go in to Talks by pressing Talks key followed by long press of
>>>>> soft
>>>>> key one.  Then Options by pressing soft key one.  Arrow up from the
>>>>> bottom until you hear About and select that.  It will tell you.  I
>>>>> asked you before this past week and you told me you followed my
>>>>> instructions and looked it up and it was Talks 4.
>>>>>
>>>>>       Eleanor
>>>>>         ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>         From: yvonne oliver
>>>>>         To: talks uk
>>>>>         Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 8:57 PM
>>>>>         Subject: [talks-uk] telling what version
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>         hi
>>>>>         can someone remind me on how to find out what version of talks
>>>>> i
>>>>> currently have installed?
>>>>>         thank you
>>>>>         Yvonne
>>>>
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