[sib-access] Re: system breaks and question about chord symbols
- From: "Alexandru Cozaciuc" <alexcoza@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2014 23:28:10 +0300
Hello!
When I want to add system breaks but have no double barlines or final
barlines, I do the following:
1. I select the last note before the next passage.
2. I put a double barline and make sure that it is selected.
3. I insert a system break by going to the Layout menu. Then, I go to the
Break submenu and press Enter on the System break item.
4. After that, I simply delete the double barline.
I personally don't put System breaks before rehearsal marks.
I used the method I wrote about when I didn't need a final barline at the
song's end because I had to write the accelerando instruction followed by
the tempo called Vivacissimo, so there was no final barline needed but a
system break only.
Talking about System breaks: make sure that they're also put into the scores
of your instruments but not into the full score only. I think I will write
about displaying information regarding pages, systems and bars if it is
really necessary.
Talking about chord symbols: when you press the letter b, Sibelius writes
the flat symbol. For instance, if you want to write a chord symbol (let's
say E flat major), you normally write Eb, but as I've written before,
Sibelius doesn't write the letter b but the flat symbol. It is probably
easier to see the flat symbol in stead of the letter b, but if you really
want to write the letter b, you can write it into a text editor like
Notepad, copy it to your clipboard and paste it when you want a flat.
Talking about Jaws: unfortunately, it doesn't speak this symbol correctly.
In English, it says something like dieresis. I'm sorry if this word really
exists and I didn't write it correctly, but I'm not a native English
speaker.
Hope this helps
Alex
-----Original Message-----
From: Dale Lieser
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 7:44 PM
To: sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sib-access] Re: system breaks and question about chord symbols
Ah, thanks, Dave. I stand corrected.
-----Original Message-----
From: sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dave "Farfar" Carlson
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 10:21 AM
To: sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sib-access] Re: system breaks and question about chord symbols
I think that in order to insert a system break, you need to be on a note
closest to the end of the bar. Even if a whole note in a 4/4 bar, it is the
one to be selected. Then give Alt+Enter or Ctrl+Enter a try.
The selection process for changing bars is very carefully explained in one
of the Dan Rugman Tips and Tricks I've collected: Bar Lines.txt. Here is the
text:
Double bar lines are in fact system items and they will show up in the
system items dialog. Just press Alt+F2, select the double bar line in the
list and press Enter. You'll be put back in the score and the double bar
line will be selected.
To turn a double bar line back into a single bar line you only need to
delete the double bar line. The original single bar line will be put back
automatically.
It's worth taking a minute to look at this more closely. The double bar line
is in fact a "special" bar line which is defined by the user, instead of the
normal "single" bar lines which Sibelius puts in automatically. If you
remove a special bar line then the normal bar line is put back. You can hide
the automatic bar lines completely if you want but this is only necessary
for passages in "free time" where there is no time signature.
Bar numbers work in a similar way. Sibelius draws these automatically and
there options in the engraving rules dialog which control which bars have
numbers drawn for them. The default is to draw a bar number above the first
bar line on each system but you can change this to put a number above every
5th bar (or any other ordinal you choose).
Sighted users can select the automatic bar lines and bar numbers and move
them around with the mouse, but we can't select them by tabbing or through
any plug-in. It is possible to select these items by using the advanced
filters but the plug-in can't get any information about these items so
you'll be essentially working in the dark.
You can create a bar number change (which is a little like a special bar
line). When you create a change, the bars which follow it will be renumbered
starting from the change. You can select these bar number changes (which are
system items) by using the system items dialog or through the advanced
filters.
In fact, if you have a piece with a pick-up bar, you will always see a bar
number change in the first bar of the piece. The change in the first bar
sets the bar number to 0 instead of 1, which is the default.
Sibelius automatically draws the normal bar lines for you but you don't need
to select any of these if you want a different bar line at the end of a bar.
All you have to do is select the last note or rest in the bar and then
create the bar line from the create menu.
If you select the entire bar and then add the bar line it will be added
before the start of the selection. You could do it this way but you'd have
to select the bar which came after the double bar line.
This rule applies to all types of bar lines.
If you select a whole bar, the start repeat barline will be inserted before
the selection. An end repeat barline will be inserted after the
selection. With repeats Sibelius applies a logical rule. However it is true,
that when the last note of a bar is selected, barlines are always inserted
after the selected note. But you have to be careful, because if only one
note is selected, Sibelius always puts the barline after the selected note,
also then, when the note is not at the end of the bar; that means, that you
can end up with a barline in midst of your bar.
if you choose the first note of a bar and select
from that first note to the beginning of the bar using the CTRL Shift left
arrow, inserting a barline will place that barline at the beginning of the
bar you're in, not in the midst of the bar after the first note.
You don't need to select the bar line to create a break.
1. Select the entire bar (Ctrl+Shift+A).
2. Go to the properties window (Ctrl+Windows+Tab).
3. Go to the button which opens the bar panel (Ctrl+Tab)
4. Press the SpaceBar to open it.
5. Tab round to the list of break types.
6. Use the arrow keys to choose the break type you want.
I've just added a feature that will tell you what type of break the current
bar has, which should help a little with this.
Dave Carlson
Soon-to-be Oregonian, retired, full-time Farfar, musician, and woodworker
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Böttcher" <th.bottcher@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 5:13 AM
Subject: [sib-access] system breaks and question about chord symbols
Hi all,
What is the correct way to insert a system break?
I tried selecting the bar and hen went into the menu and to system break but
got the message " please select a single note or chord" or something
similar.
I would like a new system every for bars and double bar lines with every
rehearsal letter. Are these inserted automatically?
Furthermore, I experience a strange thing inserting chord symbols:
Using sib 3.1 and sib speaking I could always put a b to indicate a flat
like Bb minor. Now, the capital B is written down correctly but when I put a
small b to indicate a flat sibelius seems to put a different symbol. Has
anybody else experienced that and is there maybe an alternative way to put a
symbol to indicate a flat?
Thanks so much for your help.
Cheers
Thomas
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