[sib-access] Re: system breaks and question about chord symbols
- From: "Dale Lieser" <dale.lieser@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 09:45:30 -0400
Saeed,
System breaks are for when you want the next measure to be on the next line.
The concept does not involve space between staves.
Within the Layout>Brakes menu, there is an item called "Split system", which
puts a longer horizontal space between measures without advancing to the
next line. A situation in which one might use split system is to visually
separate a coda from what comes before it.
Make sense?
Dale
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 9:39 AM
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Subject: [sib-access] Re: system breaks and question about chord symbols
Hi all.
I don't have almost nothing about system break and its advantage.
Please let me know how may I get enough information about and how to
use it via Sib-access. I suppose it would be very useful for adjusting
spaces between the staves. Is that right?
Thanks so much.
Best regards,
Saeed
On 4/25/14, Dani L Pagador <axs.brl@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi, Thomas.
> From the Sib Access Archive:
>
> <snip>
> "You don't need to select the bar line to create a break.
>
> 1. Select the entire bar (Ctrl+Shift+A).
> 2. Go to the properties window (Ctrl+Windows+Tab).
> 3. Go to the button which opens the bar panel (Ctrl+Tab)
> 4. Press the SpaceBar to open it.
> 5. Tab round to the list of break types.
> 6. Use the arrow keys to choose the break type you want. <end>
>
> HTH,
> Dani
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thomas Böttcher
> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 7:52 AM
> To: sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [sib-access] Re: system breaks and question about chord symbols
>
> But how can I move to the bar line greetings Thomas
>
> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone
>
>> Op 25-apr.-2014 om 18:43 heeft Kevin Gibbs <kevjazz@xxxxxx> het volgende
>> geschreven:
>>
>> To insert a system break, you need to be on the bar line itself.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Apr 13, 2014, at 9:21 AM, "Dave \"Farfar\" Carlson"
>>> <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think that in order to insert a system break, you need to be on a
>>> note closest to the end of the bar. Even if a whole note in a 4/4
>>> bar, it is the one to be selected. Then give Alt+Enter or Ctrl+Enter a
>>> try.
>>>
>>> The selection process for changing bars is very carefully explained
>>> in one of the Dan Rugman Tips and Tricks I've collected: Bar
>>> Lines.txt. Here is the
>>> text:
>>>
>>> Double bar lines are in fact system items and they will show up in
>>> the system items dialog. Just press Alt+F2, select the double bar
>>> line in the list and press Enter. You'll be put back in the score and
>>> the double bar line will be selected.
>>>
>>> To turn a double bar line back into a single bar line you only need
>>> to delete the double bar line. The original single bar line will be
>>> put back automatically.
>>>
>>> It's worth taking a minute to look at this more closely. The double
>>> bar line is in fact a "special" bar line which is defined by the
>>> user, instead of the normal "single" bar lines which Sibelius puts in
>>> automatically. If you remove a special bar line then the normal bar
>>> line is put back. You can hide the automatic bar lines completely if
>>> you want but this is only necessary for passages in "free time" where
>>> there is no time signature.
>>>
>>> Bar numbers work in a similar way. Sibelius draws these automatically
>>> and there options in the engraving rules dialog which control which
>>> bars have numbers drawn for them. The default is to draw a bar number
>>> above the first bar line on each system but you can change this to
>>> put a number above every 5th bar (or any other ordinal you choose).
>>>
>>> Sighted users can select the automatic bar lines and bar numbers and
>>> move them around with the mouse, but we can't select them by tabbing
>>> or through any plug-in. It is possible to select these items by using
>>> the advanced filters but the plug-in can't get any information about
>>> these items so you'll be essentially working in the dark.
>>>
>>> You can create a bar number change (which is a little like a special
>>> bar line). When you create a change, the bars which follow it will be
>>> renumbered starting from the change. You can select these bar number
>>> changes (which are system items) by using the system items dialog or
>>> through the advanced filters.
>>>
>>> In fact, if you have a piece with a pick-up bar, you will always see
>>> a bar number change in the first bar of the piece. The change in the
>>> first bar sets the bar number to 0 instead of 1, which is the default.
>>>
>>> Sibelius automatically draws the normal bar lines for you but you
>>> don't need to select any of these if you want a different bar line at
the
>>> end of a bar.
>>> All you have to do is select the last note or rest in the bar and
>>> then create the bar line from the create menu.
>>>
>>> If you select the entire bar and then add the bar line it will be
>>> added before the start of the selection. You could do it this way but
>>> you'd have to select the bar which came after the double bar line.
>>>
>>> This rule applies to all types of bar lines.
>>>
>>> If you select a whole bar, the start repeat barline will be inserted
>>> before the selection. An end repeat barline will be inserted after
>>> the selection. With repeats Sibelius applies a logical rule. However
>>> it is true, that when the last note of a bar is selected, barlines
>>> are always inserted after the selected note. But you have to be
>>> careful, because if only one note is selected, Sibelius always puts
>>> the barline after the selected note, also then, when the note is not
>>> at the end of the bar; that means, that you can end up with a barline in
>>> midst of your bar.
>>>
>>> if you choose the first note of a bar and select from that first note
>>> to the beginning of the bar using the CTRL Shift left arrow,
>>> inserting a barline will place that barline at the beginning of the
>>> bar you're in, not in the midst of the bar after the first note.
>>>
>>> You don't need to select the bar line to create a break.
>>>
>>> 1. Select the entire bar (Ctrl+Shift+A).
>>> 2. Go to the properties window (Ctrl+Windows+Tab).
>>> 3. Go to the button which opens the bar panel (Ctrl+Tab) 4. Press the
>>> SpaceBar to open it.
>>> 5. Tab round to the list of break types.
>>> 6. Use the arrow keys to choose the break type you want.
>>>
>>> I've just added a feature that will tell you what type of break the
>>> current bar has, which should help a little with this.
>>>
>>> Dave Carlson
>>> Soon-to-be Oregonian, retired, full-time Farfar, musician, and
>>> woodworker
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Thomas Böttcher" <th.bottcher@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 5:13 AM
>>> Subject: [sib-access] system breaks and question about chord symbols
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> What is the correct way to insert a system break?
>>> I tried selecting the bar and hen went into the menu and to system
>>> break but got the message " please select a single note or chord" or
>>> something similar.
>>> I would like a new system every for bars and double bar lines with
>>> every rehearsal letter. Are these inserted automatically?
>>>
>>> Furthermore, I experience a strange thing inserting chord symbols:
>>> Using sib 3.1 and sib speaking I could always put a b to indicate a
>>> flat like Bb minor. Now, the capital B is written down correctly but
>>> when I put a small b to indicate a flat sibelius seems to put a
>>> different symbol. Has anybody else experienced that and is there
>>> maybe an alternative way to put a symbol to indicate a flat?
>>> Thanks so much for your help.
>>> Cheers
>>> Thomas
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