Good comment, Andy. I totally agree. I presented one paper at DesignCon 2004 this year on the use of Laplacian based Coupled T-line models (in SPICE format) that was well received; however, another paper I submitted on converting IBIS model data to SPICE models was rejected. My conversion technique added dynamic conversion of driver output capcitance and receiver input capacitance as a function of the instantaneous T-line voltage, which is more accurate than the current IBIS model format. I also allowed coupled package leads and I/O intefaces to be easily incorporated into the model. Further, the conversion process identifies when a published IBIS model is deficient or inconsistent. I have had independent reviewers indicate the paper as a major step forward; however, I suspect the rejection was because there are many IBIS model (and EDA) vendors who financially support the conference that would have been displeased with the paper. That is, it was not "politically correct." I am considering submitting the paper to a magazine, but they have the same EDA vendor (paid advertising) barrier. If one can afford the time to run SPICE models, do it. If time-to-market is so critical that minutes or hours of schedule are detrimental, one may opt to take chances with IBIS models and cross their fingers. If a company chooses to publish IBIS models instead of SPICE models, they need to do a thorough and accurate job of it to gain respect. The option is to require a non-disclosure agreement for SPICE models instead. I haven't the time for another lengthy thread of comments, so I hope this note doesn't ruffle too many feathers. Mike Michael L. Conn Owner/Principal Consultant Mikon Consulting Cell: 408-821-9843 *** Serving Your Needs with Technical Excellence *** ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu