In a message dated 3/22/2004 6:32:15 PM Pacific Standard Time, arpad.muranyi@xxxxxxxxx writes: We can't say any more that IBIS is not capable of this and that, or not accurate, etc... It is now entirely up to the model maker to come up with a model that is accurate enough for their needs. The question now is how do we write our models and make them accurate enough for their purpose. There is a lot to learn in this respect, and I am keeping my eyes open. I would like to encourage any contribution in this respect in any forum, such as these email discussion groups, IBIS summits, and the like. ********** Arpad, I totally agree. I like to participate in any discussions that increase the knowledge and expertise of contributing members to the SI List through shared experiences, original analyses, and open discussion of the accompanying rationale. Just to assure clarification, I appreciate and acknowledge the many efforts and contributions of the people who have created and continually refine the IBIS movement. My activity that led to the development of a unique IBIS-to-SPICE conversion technique was born of necessity over three years ago, when the depth and quality of available IBIS models was inadequate for my purposes. My clients could not wait for new updates to the IBIS specification and the subsequent delays for vendor implementation of same. Nor did the semiconductor vendors make it any easier to obtain timely NDAs for (generally encrypted) H-SPICE files. (I do not use H-SPICE unless furnished in-house by a client.) I refined the conversion technique and successfully completed analyses and new design tasks to support my client's schedules. In the process, I was able to detect errors and inconsistencies in published IBIS models, as well as partition and alter the model structure to yield more flexibility in building end-to-end signal paths. After working with a few IC vendors, I further refined the structure to yield variable capacitive loading associated with the clamping structures of the devices to achieve better model predictions for the ever higher switching slew rates of new devices. The newly released IBIS specification (and how it is interpreted) may or may not solve all of the known deficiencies (once it is implemented by the IC vendors). Yet, I am sure it is a step in the right direction for improved modeling flexibility and accuracy. As time goes by, hopefully the IBIS model structure will surpass my individual techniques. With my current activities, it may well be this fall before I have a complete presentation to go along with an updated paper I have now planned. Respectfully, Mike Michael L. Conn Owner/Principal Consultant Mikon Consulting *** Serving Your Needs with Technical Excellence *** ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu