Sally posts... when I was showing I never went in just to show my dogs off or to place- I went to WIN But then I realized the futurities did not mean much to me so I stopped showing at them- They never ever made a difference in my breeding program. I always picked studs because I thought they could improve on my bitch. Paul adds... Sally...like you...I never leave the house without expecting to win. It's in our genes and I'm not talking Wranglers or Calvin Clines here...winning is the drink that quenches the thirst. Of course it made a difference in your breeding program because you saw who NOT to breed to. Just because a dog wins a Futurity does not make it a good dog. Those that are good dogs produce good dogs. I could fill a book with those animals that won a futurity...many didn't finish...and never produced a dog that did. That's what I learn from competing. I go to Judges I respect and feel have an eye for a correct dog...based on the Standard's requests. Some years there are quite a few and some years it's a real drought...but you know what I am talking about there. We...as people who enter any futurity/maturity are subject to the clubs who select their Judges. I could name several this year I believe are apples and oranges but that is nothing new. I have begged the hosting clubs to pick compatible Judges who will like the same style of dogs but alas...it doesn't seem to happen. Winners should be based on dogs that are as close to the Standard as possible. I still have faith in the system and as long as our dogs make us proud...we will tread the same path. JMO...once again...as always... Paul ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================