Jen, That was an EXCELLENT post. Thank you. You are 100% correct it is the "pressure" that puts them off or the threat of it. Pressure is as much mental as physical. When I exert pressure on a horse to move in a given direction, it is mental, using close personal space which brings pressure, vs, letting off of pressure when I back away. Dogs are much the same. A noise a movement or body language brings as much if not more "pressure" than much of the physical contact..or as you perfectly stated as "a butterfly kiss" . I have watched FAR too many times as the "pressure" of the approach of a judge is enough to make a dog roll it's eyes, or fret, or completely lose it. Often before the judge ever touches the animal. Sad to say. So a "stick"? I am thoroughly delighted when I see a GSD with enough nerve to go for the sleeve and not cringe just because you want to touch it's often pointy little head, while being doubled and held by a handler. Bring on the sticks. Kathy *"Victory...*Vires et honestas" On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:19 PM, Jen Proud <proudk9@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Wondering here in the frozen wasteland: > So- how many of y'all have been hit YOURSELF with that very stick used in > dog sport, which is both padded and a flexible rod inside? > I have quite a few times-- and Evan I must say it's not an effective > weapon on anything but small insects for doing actual damage and maybe a > cat or small dog would be pained with it. I would rather get hit with "the > stick" 10x than snapped with a wet towel once if that says anything about > the physical pain effects of it! > Ask any children who grew up in a dog sporting home- we all sword fought > with the batons! LOL > The stick is about intimidation and pressure under both threat and > contact, not that the dog will bite despite being placed in pain. > Many dogs will grip with the stick waving but will let loose of the helper > when the contact is made- plus the sticks make quite a whap! noise when > they are struck which will make some dogs loose their nerve- just because > contact is made. Doesn't always so much matter if the contact is a > butterfly kiss or thrown off a cliff, just the pressure of contact makes > them break. > > > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2014. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION: http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================