[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Walk softly but..............
- From: Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx
- To: rbuffdogs@xxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 19:40:20 -0500 (EST)
Maybe it's semantics.
I am saying socialization and you are somehow inferring training to cover
up raging spooks. Not sure how that morphed....you didn't see the links I
sent about Carmen's project or seven things to do w/ puppies before seven
weeks? There's a lot new in the last few years re puppy raising. Some of
us have done things intuitively, but now we have data.
If a puppy is carefully started and well and properly socialized you don't
end up w/ raging spooks...well, I never have.
Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC
Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions
visit http://www.pinehillgsds.com/
In a message dated 2/8/2014 7:32:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
rbuffdogs@xxxxxxxxx writes:
We can all train dogs to not shy, not react in an obvious way, from mildly
unsure dogs to raging spooks.
It is not difficult. It is good to train them, to socialize them, as much
as is necessary to make them
easier to live with, for all concerned. However in the end, in taking a
shy, or nervous dog, and
desensitizing him, and "socializing " him , sometimes to the nth
degree...you still have not fixed the problem,
only put a bandaid on it. Easier to live with afterwards? Oh sure ,
maybe..but In the end you still only have a well trained spook.
No thanks.
Did that for a living and very successfully with many show dogs...but,
don't want to own them for ourselves.
Again, it depends on what an individual is willing to live with...
Kathy (Tank)
_http://www.victorygermanshepherds.com_
(http://www.victorygermanshepherds.com/)
Updated: June 2013
CH. Elvaston's Nations Cup TC, 26 BOBs
CH. Victory's Leviathan
Kappo von Eisenwerk
RBIF Monarch's Tarragon v Kaleef
"Victory...Vires et honestas"
On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 1:54 PM, <_Pinehillgsds@aol.com_
(mailto:Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx) > wrote:
What? I think every dog needs to be carefully raised, well started and
socialized to reach their full potential. (As opposed to warehousing
potential show prospects in pens and pulling them out for a show day only).
Socialization isn't "training to correct character flaws".
You know, maybe more than a few GSD people are behind the times in puppy
rearing. Carmen has a project he is working on w/ U of P re the benefits of
early stimulation. He claims <only> 35% is genetic.:
http://www.kitsapcanine.com/articles/SuperDog.pdf
And if that's a bit deep, there is the rule of 7:
http://www.echowyn.com/Ruleof7.html
You'll see that this is done by seven weeks. And a puppy is well, WELL on
their way at 8 weeks when started young.
Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC
Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions
visit http://www.pinehillgsds.com/
In a message dated 2/8/2014 3:55:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
_tanksr@gmail.com_ (mailto:tanksr@xxxxxxxxx) writes:
The truly sound dog does not need socialization, but they aren't all
perfect so maybe we need to help some of them out a bit. The danger in that is
it can be a slippery slope as we make more and more excuses for character
flaws. It's ok to socialize and train to correct the flaws but not to make
the mistake of using them for breeding. Since we don't really have a very
good method of testing temperament in our system, I think we need to be extra
diligent when choosing breeding animals.
Ken
On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 12:47 PM, <_Pinehillgsds@aol.com_
(mailto:Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx) > wrote:
How old were they when you got them? Maybe somebody else put the good
foundation on them. Not saying they aren't sound, just saying someone may have
given them a great start.
The longer I am around dogs, the more importance I put on a really good
start.
Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC
Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions
visit http://www.pinehillgsds.com/
In a message dated 2/8/2014 2:00:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
_rbuffdogs@gmail.com_ (mailto:rbuffdogs@xxxxxxxxx) writes:
A truly sound dog with good nerves doesn't need socialization. Kappo is a
prime example.
We didn't "socialize" him, because he never needed it. Same with Quina,
Sound is sound, is sound.
Socializing is great if they need it...but with a dog of true "stands his
ground " character..it is
not necessary. Fun, but not necessary.
Kathy
*"Victory...*Vires et honestas"
On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 4:28 AM, <_Pinehillgsds@aol.com_
(mailto:Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx) > wrote:
> Lack of socialization. We have people who collect prospects and
> warehouse them in kennel runs, then on Thursday they get a bath, blown
out
> and loaded in a van to go to a weekend of shows. Once there, they spend
> almost all of their time in the van or in a x-pen. Sometimes multiple
> littermates are kept and if folks aren't careful to separate them they
bond
> to one another and not their people.
>
> Then, when a response isn't "perfect", a correction and some extra
> training, a crash course after the show behind the van. "STAND,
STAY!!!!!".
>
> Conversely a dog who lives as a member of the family, used to household
> chaos, road trips to children's sporting events...very different animal.
>
>
> *Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC*
>
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