Having been to Police Trials and Sport Events the good dogs it made no difference whether one had a stick or not. If a dog is not of good protective temperament it shows stick or not. If you need to desensitize a dog to make them accept someone with a stick to not be afraid how is that a good thing? Today we see it at dog shows and all competitive events of people desensitizing their dogs to everything. A good dog shows courage regardless of a gun, knife, sword, chains, etc. they do not need to desensitize them. How many crooks are going to be carry a stick as how would that stop a dog. As I watch so many events the treats, expecting the dog to look at the handler as they move instead of looking forward makes no sense to me. The good dogs think for themselves in a situation when it calls for protection as sometimes that person is unable to. Max von Stephanitz shot off a gun to test a dog for his courage did not use a stick. Here in the USA when he judged as the gun went off several dogs shied away and they were excused from the class. As I always hear people comment on what he wanted in the GSD maybe they should read his book written in Germany and not the ones that came after. Schutzhund in Germany 1936 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsBi0PehfAM&feature=related Very few German Shepherd Dogs are true working dogs today as their courage has been bred out for a much softer dog. Ever wonder why today the Police are turning to the Dutch Shepherd and Belgian Malinois ? Theresa On Fri, 2/7/14, ELG440@xxxxxxx <ELG440@xxxxxxx> wrote: I do not do schutzhund work, not do I ever intend to. I can't believe making a dog used to getting hit by a stick is a good thing. To me, it is smart not to want to get hit by anything, and I never felt the need to put my will on my dog, to get him to do something I want, and not what is reasonable for any animal. I do understand that is my personal opinion, and I may be wrong. But, I will never desensitize my dog from being hit. Evan ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2014. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION: http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================