[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Rights and Wrong and in between
- From: edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxx
- To: scenecrest geo <scenecrest.geo@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 16:00:59 +0000 (UTC)
I enjoy listening to folks who have different views and opinions than I do (
which covers most of the human population) and I have always claimed that email
is a horrible form of communication which is perhaps the reason of most of the
list fights that Stormy tries so hard to prevent but Theresa I just did not
understand your last post. Are you saying since all GSDs come from the same
source they are all doomed? You gave us a list of dogs who should not be in our
pedigrees is there a list of dogs in your opinion that SHOULD be in our
pedigrees. I'm confused Ed
----- Original Message ----- From: Theresa-GSD Stolz-Scenecrest Farm
<scenecrest.geo@xxxxxxxxx> To: marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx,
ducksavsfan@xxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Fri, 28 Jun 2013
14:33:15 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Rights and Wrong and in
between Unless your GSD you decide to breed does not carry the below GSD's
in their pedigree there is no way to avoid the past as it will always repeat
itself. As we all know these dogs are repeated numerous times in our GSD's
pedigree. It has nothing to do with show dogs as every living GSD goes back
to the beginning of the breed if there were no other breeds involved along the
line. It has everything to do with health and sound temperament which you need
to avoid doubling-tripling up of GSD's that carried it on through their genes
to present time. Even if you think you outcross does not make a difference
since you are still linebreeding if these GSD's are in the background several
times. In all these pedigrees I have with dogs passing away to
Hemangiosarcoma the below dogs are in their pedigrees over and over again. The
males were also noted by others of having dogs with other cancers, EPI,
Digestive-Bloat problems, Cryptorchidism. Several of the below GSDâs had
fear aggression and unstable temperament issues too. Rosel vom Osnabrücker
Land Axel von der Deininghauser Heide Utz vom Haus Schütting Hussan vom
Haus Schütting Klodo vom Boxberg Erich von Grafenwerth Alex vom
Westfalenheim ________________________________ From: Carolyn Martello
We will definitely inbreed occasionally and line breed a lot. That does not
mean we do it with no thought and no concern for happy healthy puppies!
When we decide on a line breeding or close breeding we are not burying our
heads in sand..though I do like to sit on a sandy beach.... ALSO.... *. WE
have gotten more problems from outcrossing than line breeding. *. Line
breeding OR inbreeding does NOT cause 'problem' genes to develop. IF you
are inbreeding and the problem is not there..inbreeding cannot CAUSE the
problem! You won't 'create' a problem with an inbreeding. The problem
has to already be there. *. You can do a total outcross breeding and still
both parents can carry the problem gene coming down from different lines
or dogs. The gene is STILL THERE. *. You can look at a pedigree..know
there is a problem on one side because of a particular dog...breed to an
outcross because THAT dog or line is not there and STILL get the problem
through ANOTHER dog in the outcross pedigree that carries the same
problem. ONE dog or ONE line is never the only carrier!! You are only
fooling yourself to think an outcross will solve it. It often just
means "YOU don't know about it"..... *. ALL lines carry problems. You can
look at a pedigree and see a specific problem known to be carried by one
of the relatives...it does NOT mean your Dam or Sire IS a CARRIER. You
DO need to find that out if you are going to use them for breeding. *.
Please don't tell me that ONLY outcross litters are the only healthy pups
going into homes or being used for breeding. carolyn
marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.marhaven.com
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On Behalf Of Christina Klahn Another interesting question.Ã How many out
there have x-rayed hips after the initial OFAs at 2?Ã I know several who
have and the hips show deterioration as the dogs ages.Ã Ã The authorÃ
doesn't say bad hips, he says osteoarthritis.Ã That's not the same in my
book as hip displasia or "bad hips".Ã Also, I will stand on this one that he
has a point on the amount of inbreeding in some breeds (including our own)
that can only cause issues down the road because of the cut down gene poolÃ
People complain about "throwing the baby out with the bath water" because they
tested or produced "x" disease because it cuts down the gene pool.Ã Isn't
inbreeding, line breeding and heavily breeding on the popular sire of the day
doing the same thing, especially when the popular sire of the day is related
to the past sire of the day and then some?Ã Yes, you can show your issues
very quickly doing a inbred or line bred litter, but is it worth it to send
these dogs out to the unsuspecting public that owns 80% if not more are in
pet homes?Ã This book has also opened my eyes to many things, one of themÃ
is the serious dangers inherent in only breeding for looks as opposed to the
whole package.Ã Some people need to pull their heads out of the sand and
stop being defensive and start breeding for the complete GSD.Ã Isn't that
why we love this breed?Ã I guarantee that most people won't only point to
looks as to why they love GSDs. Just my two cents. Tina Klahnà Illusion
GSDs ducksavsfan@xxxxxxxxx
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