No, me either. When you add the 8-9 hours crated during the day to the time crated at night...well that WOULD be hell. I DO want them to be able to stay put once in a while though. The escape artists I've had over the years weren't neurotic dogs, they weren't cry babies or whiners, (stealth escape artists!), they just knew it was more fun to be underfoot than apart and they were smart enough to figure out how to do it. My dogs have never once tried to get out when they didn't try to find/join the party...hence the snap on the gates even though they are latched closed from the inside. If I'm in front gardening, that's where they want to be. Company comes.....especially w/ children? If I try to put a couple away so they don't all overwhelm, boy there had better be snaps on the crates. They'd much rather be underfoot, getting tread on by children (quite literally), than put away. Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds In a message dated 12/2/2008 5:15:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dan-ann@xxxxxxxx writes: BUT I would never sell a puppy or dog to people who both worked all day and intended to leave the animal caged while they were gone everyday for 8-9 hours. **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================