I do not crate, as I have said in the past, they are to protect me when I am driving as well as at home, but I train my dogs to travel in the van, and no one ever impedes my driving at all!!! I won't have it. And when I see people with a dog in their lap, if I can, I tell them it is dangerous. sheila --- On Wed, 12/3/08, Bokenkampgsd1@xxxxxxx <Bokenkampgsd1@xxxxxxx> wrote: From: Bokenkampgsd1@xxxxxxx <Bokenkampgsd1@xxxxxxx> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Need Help To: denwil2007@xxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 6:20 AM In a message dated 12/2/2008 9:33:47 P.M. Central Standard Time, denwil2007@xxxxxxxxx writes: Driving without the crates can be dangerous for the dog and owner. A dear friend and long time breeder was killed in an accident several years ago and her 3 GSD's died with her. None were in crates, and from the specs of the accident it appeared that her pup got under her legs while driving and may well have been the cause of the accident. 99% of the time since then I crate. The only dogs that I have left loose have been when traveling alone and the dog is older and an experienced rider who will sit quietly in the back. Molly Trillia German Shepherds since 1972 ph 409-287-3940 Member GSDCA, GSDCC, GSDC of Beaumont (recording secretary), Life member CKC "The greatest discovery of any generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitude"-William James **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002) ===========================================================================POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ =========================================================================== ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================