Well, that is something you would have to take up with the handful of judges that judge most of the specialties......there are judges that do not fall in to that catagory. -Kay Reamensnyder and Betty Doerpinghaus -Home of Bedkar German Shepherds -bedkar@xxxxx -Visit our Website: www.bedkargsd.com Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 12:00:14 -0700From: edangsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Do we ask enough of our Grand Victors?To: sue.mazzeo@xxxxxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; bedkar@xxxxx That number of dogs defeated would automatically give it to a certain handler, no matter who the dog is/Ann Home of Sel Ex # 6 Ch Maxwell, Sel Ex Ch Gilley and #1 Dam Muggles - owner/breeder of 69 champions and 19 ROMs--- On Fri, 10/3/08, Kay Reamensnyder Betty Doerpinghaus <bedkar@xxxxx> wrote: From: Kay Reamensnyder Betty Doerpinghaus <bedkar@xxxxx>Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Do we ask enough of our Grand Victors?To: sue.mazzeo@xxxxxxxxxx, "showgsd-l digest users" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>Date: Friday, October 3, 2008, 2:45 PMMaybe GRAND VICTOR and GRAND VICTRIX titles should be awarded independently of going BOB and BOS at the National Specailty...... Ch. dogs and bitches who meet certain qualifying criteria: Orthopedic clearances... Eye clearances Endocrine clearances (Thyroid and Pancreatic) Also: A performance title Temperment certificate AND The number of Dogs deafeated in conformation through a set period of time. say Oct. 1 to Sept. 30th......maybe with a minium of 5 different Breeder judges. Just a thought! -Kay Reamensnyder and Betty Doerpinghaus -Home of Bedkar German Shepherds -bedkar@xxxxx -Visit our Website: www.bedkargsd.com > Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 11:24:57 -0700> From: Sue.Mazzeo@xxxxxxxxxx> To: Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Do we ask enough of our Grand Victors?> > The Grand Victor title is a PC title. If additional requirements were added for Grand Victor (and Grand Victrix), it would be possible for there to be a BOB or BOS without a Grand Victor or Grand Victrix. > > This same thing currently happens with the Obedience Victor/Victrix title. There have been years when there was a Highest Combined Score winner that was not declared the Obedience Victor/Victrix because not all of the requirements for the title were accomplished.> > Sue Mazzeo> ===========================================================================POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ =========================================================================== ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================