[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Do we ask enough of our Grand Victors?
- From: caggra@xxxxxxx
- To: rbuffdogs@xxxxxxxxx, uwish@xxxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 14:05:27 -0400
I agree with just about all of your points Kathy & Barbara.? However, any of
these additions or requirements would mean a huge overhaul at AKC.? From what I
know, we cannot add on requirements for an AKC win - i.e. Best of Breed or Best
of Opp Sex at our National.?? As we all know it is not easy to change anything
at AKC....
Jeff
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From: Kathy Tank <rbuffdogs@xxxxxxxxx>
To: uwish@xxxxxxxxxx; Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 1:39 pm
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Do we ask enough of our Grand Victors?
Barbara
You come up with very compelling questions. Let's look at GV in the context
of "Select One" . One chosen amongst
Select contenders on that day. I don't feel the GV should have any other
requirements that all Select competitors aren't asked.
HOWEVER, YES, I think our selects, esp the males, because of their genetic
impact, should have PROGENY
that are present at the show. I feel the males in particular should have
litters , at least three, from two different bitches,
that represent the sire , during the Specials class. All too often we see
Selects go up that have NOT proven themselves as
stud dogs, either because they are too young, or they simply ARE NOT
GENETICALLY PRE-POTENT ENOUGH TO
GIVE YOU CONSISTENCY/ QUALITY IN THEIR PROGENY. People rush to breed to the
dogs, having NO idea what they may get,
or having no idea what the dog has done, good or bad in siring ,
previously. Progeny groups on exhibition, is not much to ask.
Also what about age? I believe that Selects male or female MUST be at
least 4 years old......it is no good to award a Select title
to a dog or a line where it is not uncommon for them to die before the age
of four...or come apart physically at 4 and 5 due to faulty
structure. It sets the breed back. Award dogs that at least live long
enough to see how they look/ perform as mature adults.
I would make a full on TC , at the very least, MANDATORY for any dog/ bitch
desiring a Select title. Again, to award a dog that
rolls its eyes, or stands quivering , is an injustice to the breed, and
injurious to us, genetically....it happens...the fish-eyed selects,
and we all know it.
Finally MANDATORY DRUG AND DYE TESTING IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE SPECIALS
CLASS FOR ANY DOG OR BITCH
COMPETING. I am so sick of people openly dyeing dogs, (and not very well
to boot) and the ORANGE and PINK abominations we see.....I am sick of
listening to
people wonder why the litter of puppies they just got are not black and red
, as the sire sure seemed to be...but black and white or black and
cream.
.....ENOUGH ALREADY WITH THE DYES...... I guarantee it would change
the face of the breed OVERNIGHT. If people
protest (and you would have to wonder, why?) then they don't have to enter.
But at our BIGGEST SHOW, to crown our ostensibly BEST dogs...in our most
important class.....WE SHOULD GET HONESTY, AND A TRUE REPRESENTATION OF WHAT
WE ARE SEEING.
These, to me, IMHO are the very LEAST I would like to see . But it would
take courage and a real desire to make changes in our requirements, by those
who set the requirements.
I hope I see it come to pass in my lifetime.
Kathy Tank
http://www.victorygermanshepherds.com
Home of :
CH. Elvaston's Nations Cup TC, 26 BOBs
CH. Victory's Leviathan
CH. Garter's E-Male of Fran-Jo Anne Isle
WEBSITE PUP-DATED SEPT 22, 2008
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 10:18 AM, Barbara Galasso <uwish@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Another National is upon us and another Grand Victor will be crowned.
> This has been in the making for years. Dogs conditioned and road
> worked. Coats groomed, nails trimmed, a spray here, a spray there and
> into the ring he'll come. He'll go around the large ring and strut his
> stuff for all to see. The judge will point her finger and a new "king"
> is proclaimed the best in the country. Some will agree and some will
> not. In those few hours that those beautiful dogs stand in the ring,
> one will be chosen to represent the breed for years to come. But do we
> ask enough of our Grand Victors to entitle them to have the "cream of
> the crop" bitches bred to him? Just what should a Grand Victor be?
> Should he be the dog that is the best sider gaiter in the ring? Should
> he be the most magnificent specimen of the breed standing regal for all
> to "oohh and ahh over?" What about his character? What about his
> intelligence being tested? Can he make it in the conformation and
> obedience rings? Should he have a dual titles attached to his glorious
> name? Should he have health certificates? Just what and should a Grand
> Victor represent to the German Shepherd bree
d? Do we ask enough of our
> Grand Victors or is his one performance on that one day enough for him
> to wear the crown of glory? Just look how many more stud services this
> dog has generated for this one title. Does one win truly make one a
> Grand Victor? Best, Barbara
>
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