If that were the case, I would suggest taking baby steps toward our total package perfect dog.? Add on the TC, a performance title, OFA/OVC, Health (eyes, ears, heart etc.) over a period of time.? Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Sue Mazzeo <Sue.Mazzeo@xxxxxxxxxx> To: caggra@xxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; bedkar@xxxxx Sent: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 2:57 pm Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Do we ask enough of our Grand Victors? Jeff, ? Not necessarily.? If one of the requirements was that the dog or bitch have gone Select 1, then if all the other requirements were met the Grand Victor/Victrix title would be awarded.? It could mean, however, that no Grand Victor/Victrix title would be awarded if the BOB/BOS did not meet all the requirements. ? Again, using the Obedience Victor/Victrix example.? There are years in which there is only a High Combined not an OV. ? Sue Mazzeo >>> <caggra@xxxxxxx> 10/3/2008 11:51 AM >>> If the GV titles were awarded independently of BOB & BOS, then we very well could end up having a GV that was actually Select #10 achieve the GV title if no others ahead of him met all the requirements.?? Right?? Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Kay Reamensnyder Betty Doerpinghaus <bedkar@xxxxx> To: sue.mazzeo@xxxxxxxxxx; showgsd-l digest users <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 2:45 pm Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Do we ask enough of our Grand Victors? Maybe GRAND VICTOR and GRAND VICTRIX titles should be awarded independently of going BOB and BOS at the National Specailty...... Ch. dogs and bitches who meet certain qualifying criteria: Orthopedic clearances... Eye clearances Endocrine clearances (Thyroid and Pancreatic) Also: A performance title Temperment certificate AND The number of Dogs deafeated in conformation through a set period of time. say Oct. 1 to Sept. 30th......maybe with a minium of 5 different Breeder judges. Just a thought! -Kay Reamensnyder and Betty Doerpinghaus -Home of Bedkar German Shepherds -bedkar@xxxxx -Visit our Website: www.bedkargsd.com > Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 11:24:57 -0700> From: Sue.Mazzeo@xxxxxxxxxx> To: Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Do we ask enough of our Grand Victors?> > The Grand Victor title is a PC title. If additional requirements were added for Grand Victor (and Grand Victrix), it would be possible for there to be a BOB or BOS without a Grand Victor or Grand Victrix. > > This same thing currently happens with the Obedience Victor/Victrix title. There have been years when there was a Highest Combined Score winner that was not declared the Obedience Victor/Victrix because not all of the requirements for the title were accomplished.> > Sue Mazzeo> ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. 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