Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That you Carolyn! As always your posts are lucid and to the point. =0D =0D http://campaignergsds.netfirms.com/=0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: marhaven@xxxxxxx=0D Date: 12/30/04 00:51:20=0D To: RckyIizard@xxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=0D Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: [ADMIN] List Option=0D =0D It seems that Margy made an honest inquiry asking if we wanted a change t= o let=0D the Admn. know. I don't think the Admn. has ever put the "kibosh" on an= y=0D discussion that stayed reasonable and civil and did not become a small 'w= ar' or=0D an open 'commercial'. The only time the Admn. steps in is when the Lis= t=0D NEEDS IT with snide and rude comments and out of control heated remarks.=0D They have never stopped a discussion about German dogs as long as it remained=0D a reasonable discussion. It has NEVER REMAINED REASONABLE!!! It does = not=0D seem to work when we are told our Breed is going to pot if we don't use German=0D dogs to improve. Most of us are capable of making that decision when th= e right=0D time and the right dog comes along.=0D Most of us are more than willing to discuss ANY GSD and it's qualities go= od & bad.=0D If there are problems on the List it is our own fault.....< gasp >....NOT the Admn.=0D and not the rules......the problems are ourselves.=0D =0D Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxx=0D www.marhaven.com=0D =0D In a message dated 12/29/2004 5:30:36 PM Mountain Standard Time,=0D > mgolant@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:=0D > Listers, Showgsd-l has always been loyal to you, and we ask now that yo= u show=0D > your loyalty to the List. If you want to see something change, please = let us=0D > know,=0D > --------------------------------------------=0D > Aww Margery and all, it has nothing to do with loyalty! Just some of u= s (who=0D > are and will remain loyal members of this show gsd list) are wanting to talk=0D > about things like improving health, possibly by the method of expanding the=0D > gene pool, and even outcrossing to <gasp> German dogs, maybe naming som= e dogs=0D > and the results we get from them by name <double gasp> As evinced by so= me of the=0D > reactions when a lister brought up some German stud dogs last week (including=0D > an Admin kibosh) many if not most of the current listers would be more=0D > comfortable if we took that portion of discussions to our own list.=0D > No one is trying to take away from this list, we all enjoy this list, a= nd we=0D > very much love the learning and knowledge exchange that goes on here. = We just=0D > don't want to make anyone uncomfortable with what we're doing, so we created=0D > a forum that will make everyone happy--we get to discuss certain things= , and=0D > the people that don't want to don't have to listen.=0D >=0D > I personally belong to at least four German shepherd lists! It hasn't changed=0D > my approach to this one in the slightest.=0D >=0D > Your open mindedness about possibly changing certain restrictions and y= our=0D > invitation to accept feedback is very much appreciated, but it's really not=0D > necessary. Nothing we're doing is taking anything away from this list = at all,=0D > it's just keeping everyone happy.=0D >=0D > Thanks :)=0D >=0D > Liz in Utah=0D >=0D > Visit my website at http://hometown.aol.com/rckyiizard/index.html=0D >=0D >=0D > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=0D > POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author=0D > and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are=0D > permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l=0D > Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED.=0D >=0D > ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN A= NY MANNER OF=0D > ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION = OF ALL=0D > PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND= IS A=0D > VIOLATION OF LAW. 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