Had a very wll known breeder/stud owner tell me that when a certrain bitch arrived had her owner not been who it was the bitch wouldn't have been bred. The result An Am&Can GVX who also completed her ROM.Look at some of our ROM dams. Coats, coats with no ears Bob Neiman / Walled Lake, Mich. Breeder/owner of UKC Ch.B'N'B-Barkalot's Cherish RN Co-owner of Parklin's Pillow Talk AKA Gidget Co-owner of SandyCreek-B'N'B-WC's Christmas Star AKA Echo --- On Thu, 10/23/08, Carolyn Martello <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Carolyn Martello <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] A stud by any other name is still just a stud.... To: uwish@xxxxxxxxxx, "'Showgsd-l'" <Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 11:31 PM I always consider the term "Breeder" to mean someone that 'breeds their Breed' according to the Standard with a constant eye for improvement. Not someone that merely allows their dogs to 'procreate' for a fee.........? That being said......I see nothing wrong with breeding to a pet quality bitch with a really good pedigree. Every single Champion we see has pet quality littermates......many achieve their R.O.M. Some produce less faults than their Champion littermate. Breeding to something like a white is unnaceptable to me as it is a disqualification according to our Standard and a result of generations of breeding FOR a disqualifying fault. ( equivalant to breeding for down ears in my thinking. ) Sorry............Sigh......... .let the war begin......... Breeding to a bitch with a bad bite or one with ears not standing can be done with some forethought on whether your stud will help or make it worse. Again..many top Champions have a littermate or progeny with ears that did not come up........ or a bad bite. I know of a bitch from this area with a rye bite that was a top producer of several nice progeny and Champions and I think the owner bred her to several different studs. Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.Marhaven.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================