In the years of managing a stud dog, I think I sent one bitch back that I couldn't even get out of her crate when she arrived. I had some bitches bred to Bull that "I" wouldn't deem as sound, but many would not think it a problem. However, bred to Bull, the temperaments in the progeny were dramatically improved. I think you may have confused ear sets with hanging ears. Hanging ears are a DQF..bad ear placement is not.Hanging ears can be difficult to correct if it is a prevalent trait in a certain line. My question was..does everyone have the right to improve, even when those improvements might be DQF's..and how do we pick and choose which DQF's are "OK" and which are not. If we see dogs or bitches that attempt to bite the judge and we breed to them or breed them, how is this different that breeding a white dog?How is 1 DQF..better than another DQF..I am being the Devil's advocate here. I would bet that "white or off color dogs" are considered more of an issue than hanging ears, seriously poor temperament, a short tail or even and undershot bite. I would again wager that of all the DQF's I have listed many would not think twice about breeding a bitch that displayed anyone of the later 4 DQ I listed, and most wouldn't breed their bitch to a dog that had 3 out of the later 4 I mentioned..we already know many breed to seriously poor temperament without batting an eye, even when their bitches demonstrate the same poor temperament!Again, I am not advocating that anyone breed an animal that exhibits a DQF, but why is "color" the one everyone gasps at and treats with disdain when all should be treated equally? C hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Steve and Christine Grainger WWW.HICKORYHILLGSD.COM > [Original Message] > From: <Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx> > To: <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <uwish@xxxxxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Date: 10/26/2008 9:07:35 AM > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: A stud by any other name is still just a stud.... > > I'd breed the sister/aunt, etc. of a GVX with less than a perfect ear set > any day of the week <VBG>. Ear sets can be improved upon rather quickly. > > Seriously, temperament is a much bigger issue for me (ESPECIALLY for a > bitch, considering she is the one raising the babies and imprinting early > behavior). > > I sent a bitch home without breeding her. When dropped off, she seemed "ok" > although a little wary. You know the excuses, strange place, in season, > etc., etc. The next AM, just one on one, it was crystal clear she wasn't "ok". > Home she went. > > Selfishly, I didn't want my dog associated w/ her progeny. > > Selfishly, I didn't want the calls from unhappy puppy people AND the > potential responsibility of the wackadoo pups coming back to me. > > We all have to do what we feel is right. For me, life's too short and there > is too much work and heartache involved to breed litters I'm ambivalent > about. > > > Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC > Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions > visit www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds > > > In a message dated 10/25/2008 1:18:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: > > By all rights I should have turned away the bitches with hanging > ears, but I didn't..but I would not breed my dog to a white dog or other > off color. Over the years I bred some outside bitches that I personally > felt where unsound..but by breeding to my dog, they markedly improved the > temperaments in the resulting progeny..so what is the answer and where do > we draw the line? Or are we all being a bit pious? Christine > > > > **************Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, > no registration required and great graphics â?? check it out! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redirhttp ://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001) > > ============================================================================ > POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. 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