[rollei_list] Re: Rolleimot
- From: "Peter K." <peterk727@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 15:05:56 -0700
Wow! No wonder why these things never sold well. There were so many
variations.
Do u own one of the Rolleimot units Carlos?
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 2:40 PM, CarlosMFreaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Yes Larry, that is the 150 frames French magazine for the Rollei TLR,
> the Rolleimot for this special magazine was taller than the regular
> Rolleimot to compensate the different height, I'll look for an image
> in my files tonight to add to my blog if I find it .
>
> Carlos
>
> 2010/4/9 Laurence Cuffe <cuffe@xxxxxxx>:
> > Carlos
> > I have been following with interest your discussions with Peter, but now
> your photographs have me confused. I've looked at the rolleimot, and the
> picture of a 150 exposure magazine which you included when we discussed this
> in 2007 a link to which I include here,
> > http://auction-team.de/new_highlights/2003_04/0065.htm
> > and I cannot see how they could operate together. Was there a different
> large capacity magazine for the camera?
> > All the best
> > Larry Cuffe
> >
> > On Friday, April 09, 2010, at 05:01PM, "CarlosMFreaza" <
> cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>I meant 500 units.-
> >>
> >>Carlos
> >>
> >>2010/4/9 CarlosMFreaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxx>:
> >>> Yes Peter, that is the image in my blog I mentioned above, it was an
> >>> advanced accesory in 1963, but there were better solutions in 1969,
> >>> the last year it was manufactured. BTW it was expensive, 10 were sold
> >>> for sure because they were asked for the special 150 rames magazine.
> >>> The average was 1 frame each 3.5 seconds, not bad for 1963 and for a
> >>> camera designed for manual use only. %00 units were manufactured and
> >>> most of them were sold the first years of production.
> >>>
> >>> Carlos
> >>>
> >>> 2010/4/9 Peter K. <peterk727@xxxxxxxxx>:
> >>>> I did see the remote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_7YCYTkFybJY/S7-MO7F2SsI/AAAAAAAAAaM/5Wgbe2NXChA/s1600/Rolleimot+1+a.jpg
> >>>>
> >>>> So it would appear that this was really a motor drive more than
> anything
> >>>> else. Wonder if anyone actually bought one for use? I mean, to take
> this to
> >>>> a sporting event or a place where you would need to take consecutive
> photos
> >>>> would be silly considering the size. Any idea of the number of photos
> per
> >>>> second this allowed? Maybe 1 fps?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Peter K. <peterk727@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks Carlos. OK. But you would still need a LONG Remote Control
> Wire. So
> >>>>> I would imagine Rollei must have made them at one time and you would
> have
> >>>>> had to ask for them to be fabricated to the length needed. Do you
> know what
> >>>>> the maximum allowable length of those cords would be? Any idea where
> they
> >>>>> were actually employed in use outside of Rollei's testing them before
> >>>>> putting them on the shelf? To me it still seems like an expensive
> solution
> >>>>> looking for a problem.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 1:37 PM, CarlosMFreaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Peter:
> >>>>>> The Rolleimot does not work the way you wrote below. The
> >>>>>> only long cord is the Remote Control wire, in fact the Rolleimot
> >>>>>> provides automatic shutter release via a short cable and automatic
> >>>>>> film advance, the images in eBay are confusing because they "cut"
> the
> >>>>>> short shutter release cable and then it seems two different cables.
> >>>>>> BTW, being the power an internal source, within the Rolleimot body,
> >>>>>> you can't see it, I uploded these two Rolleimot images, with camera
> >>>>>> and without camera for a better understanding of its working:
> >>>>>> http://itarphotos.blogspot.com/2010/04/rolleimot.html
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> In the second image you can see the Remote Control wire.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Carlos
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 2010/4/9 Peter K. <peterk727@xxxxxxxxx>:
> >>>>>> > OK, that makes sense. But you would still need a long "wired"
> cable
> >>>>>> > release
> >>>>>> > to take a picture. So it was designed for very specific
> applications.
> >>>>>> > Maybe
> >>>>>> > that is why they never sold many (or perhaps gave them away to
> certain
> >>>>>> > institutions).
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> > You can pick one up cheap at KEH (under $200) --->
> >>>>>> > http://www.keh.com/Product-Details/1/RT16999025940I/RT16/FE.aspx
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> > Or a mint one on ebay for $1000. Item #380221806610 (nice photos
> here)
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> > BTW, there is nothing to show an internal power, just a gray cord
> which
> >>>>>> > I
> >>>>>> > would assume could be from a 6v source of Ds or AC Adapter. Still
> you
> >>>>>> > would
> >>>>>> > need a very long shutter release cord. So very limited use of this
> >>>>>> > device. I
> >>>>>> > would say it is a solution looking for a problem rather than the
> other
> >>>>>> > way
> >>>>>> > around. May be one reason why F&H went bankrupt. Stupidity in
> building
> >>>>>> > things for a market too small to provide revenue and ignoring the
> >>>>>> > market
> >>>>>> > (like the Medium format SLR market they forgot about until 1962)
> that
> >>>>>> > would
> >>>>>> > make them money.
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> > --Peter K
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> > On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 2:26 AM, CarlosMFreaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxx
> >
> >>>>>> > wrote:
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >> Peter:
> >>>>>> >> I insist, the Rolleimot has a 6v motor, the energy is
> >>>>>> >> provided using four D size batteries, this is an internal power
> >>>>>> >> source, no other electricity is necessary, however it allowed to
> use a
> >>>>>> >> transformer.
> >>>>>> >> Rolleimot was manufactured along 6 years anyway, it costed DM 495
> in
> >>>>>> >> 1963, a Rolleicord Vb costed DM 360 in 1962 and a Rolleiflex T
> DM 555
> >>>>>> >> in 1961, it was an expensive accesory.
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >> Carlos
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >> 2010/4/8 Peter K. <peterk727@xxxxxxxxx>:
> >>>>>> >> > My problem is you would have to have electricity in those
> dangerous
> >>>>>> >> > areas.
> >>>>>> >> > Something that is hardly doable.
> >>>>>> >> >
> >>>>>> >> > On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 4:54 PM, Marc James Small
> >>>>>> >> > <marcsmall@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>> >> > wrote:
> >>>>>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >> >> At 02:47 PM 4/8/2010, Peter K. wrote:
> >>>>>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >> >>> The reason I am silent is that I work and travel. Do not
> always
> >>>>>> >> >>> check
> >>>>>> >> >>> this list. So I will say that I was perhaps wrong to call the
> >>>>>> >> >>> Rolleimot a
> >>>>>> >> >>> pig. The Rolleimot apparently had a "unique market" as you
> note.
> >>>>>> >> >>> What
> >>>>>> >> >>> market? Apparently no one really knows, but it must have been
> >>>>>> >> >>> useful
> >>>>>> >> >>> somewhere. You would need a long electric cord and a long
> remote
> >>>>>> >> >>> cord,
> >>>>>> >> >>> so go
> >>>>>> >> >>> figure where this was applicable.
> >>>>>> >> >>>
> >>>>>> >> >>> As to Herr Prochnow. He was a nice man. I too corresponded
> with
> >>>>>> >> >>> him,
> >>>>>> >> >>> but
> >>>>>> >> >>> would not call myself an expert because of that. Not sure why
> he
> >>>>>> >> >>> did
> >>>>>> >> >>> not
> >>>>>> >> >>> return your emails, or those of Bob Shell. But he was quite
> >>>>>> >> >>> accessible
> >>>>>> >> >>> prior
> >>>>>> >> >>> to his passing and I did write him on a number of occasions
> and
> >>>>>> >> >>> received
> >>>>>> >> >>> responses.
> >>>>>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >> >> Peter
> >>>>>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >> >> The Rolleimot was developed for technical applications in
> dangerous
> >>>>>> >> >> areas.
> >>>>>> >> >> Seems pretty clear to the rest of us. What problem do you
> have
> >>>>>> >> >> with
> >>>>>> >> >> this
> >>>>>> >> >> possibility?
> >>>>>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >> >> I only obtained an e-mail address for Prochnow several months
> >>>>>> >> >> before
> >>>>>> >> >> his
> >>>>>> >> >> death, and I suppose that is why he never replied to my
> missives.
> >>>>>> >> >> No
> >>>>>> >> >> problem. Bob Shell wrote him at length by snail-mail a few
> times
> >>>>>> >> >> about
> >>>>>> >> >> eight or nine years back and never got a response. For all I
> know,
> >>>>>> >> >> the
> >>>>>> >> >> letters were lost in the mail.
> >>>>>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >> >> I was not complaining about my lack of direct contact with
> >>>>>> >> >> Prochnow: I
> >>>>>> >> >> was simply noting that Carlos had a vibrant and rich exchange
> with
> >>>>>> >> >> Prochnow
> >>>>>> >> >> for many years, and I did not. And I now know that you had
> contact
> >>>>>> >> >> as
> >>>>>> >> >> well.
> >>>>>> >> >> As you properly note, there are only 24 hours a day, and all
> of us
> >>>>>> >> >> fail to
> >>>>>> >> >> push things with sufficient vigor until the time for doing so
> is
> >>>>>> >> >> past.
> >>>>>> >> >> I
> >>>>>> >> >> still have a dozen lens serial numbers to send Charlie
> Barringer --
> >>>>>> >> >> and
> >>>>>> >> >> it
> >>>>>> >> >> is too late now to do this. I should have done it three weeks
> ago,
> >>>>>> >> >> when it
> >>>>>> >> >> might have made a difference, but I just could not find the
> Round
> >>>>>> >> >> Tuit.
> >>>>>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >> >> Marc
> >>>>>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >> >> msmall@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>> >> >> Cha robh bàs fir gun ghràs fir!
> >>>>>> >> >>
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