[rollei_list] Re: OT Re: new Zeiss Ikon- a hollow construct?
- From: FRANK DERNIE <frank.dernie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 13:39:16 -0800 (PST)
That is like saying a Audi A3 is a completely different car to a VW Golf...
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Subject: [rollei_list] Re: OT Re: new Zeiss Ikon- a hollow construct?
...and since the ZI RF does not have the round corners like the Leica
and it has the central vertical rectangle with the lens mount like the
Contax II and it has the Zeiss logo where the Contax II had the
telemeter window and because the viewfinder are different and because
the backs are different and because the sutter are differents and
because the telemeters are different and because the ZI telemeter has
a base length closer to the Contax II than to the Leica M, they are
different cameras completely and the only similarity with the Leica is
the M mount, and that is an advantage for the Zeiss Ikon.-
Carlos
2009/11/8 CarlosMFreaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxx>:
> You are wrong Jan, I took as basis Erwin Puts comment on the Zeiss
> Ikon, nothing to do with the Zeiss web site. And as I wrote, Bessa or
> not Bessa, I have instinct for the good cameras and that is a good
> camera.
> Carlos
>
>
>
> 2009/11/8 Jan Decher <Jan.Decher@xxxxxxx>:
>> Frank and Carlos,
>> My compromise is to use ZM lenses on an older (non-TTL) Leica M6 simply
>> because I like mechanical cameras for film and I was lucky to get the
>> M6 (with 3.5/50mm M-Elmar!) for about the same amount as a new Zeiss Ikon ZM
>> body. For the 85 or 90 mm portrait lens I may also go with a used late
>> Leica Elmarit-M 90 because I like it's features better than the ZM 4/85 TT
>> (speed, built-in lens hood, chrome). Can't afford the clunky 2/85 Sonnar.
>> I do agree wth Frank, Carlos, despite much of the "Making of Zeiss Ikon"
>> hype on the Zeiss website,the ZM camera is a carefully Zeiss-refined Bessa
>> with more than accidental similarities to a Leica M, and not a true CZ
>> Contax descendant.
>> A true Contax offspring should have had the classic "broken corner" shape of
>> 50s and 60 Zeiss cameras, a true derivative of the metal "Jalousie" shutters
>> of the Contax IIa/IIIa, and perhaps even the old double-bayonet Contax mount
>> (briefly revived, interestingly, by Cosina! [click on "Bessa R2S R2C", left
>> column]). But all this would have priced the camera into the Leica
>> stratosphere, which, I am glad, Zeiss avoided.
>> Jan
>> On Nov 8, 2009, at 1:06 AM, FreeLists Mailing List Manager wrote:
>>
>> Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 08:21:17 -0800 (PST)
>>
>> From: FRANK DERNIE <frank.dernie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>
>> We must be talking about different Zeiss ikon M mount rangefinders. The one
>> I am familiar with came out a few years ago and is possibly worth the price.
>> It has many Bessa features (I have a Bessa) but is more substantial, but the
>> shutter is the same and viewfinder very similar, though the rangefinder base
>> is extended. It feels nicer than the Bessa but not as nice as the Leica. I
>> think it is not bad value, though personally I have mainly bought film
>> cameras second hand.
>>
>> I am sure you will enjoy it if you buy one.
>>
>> Frank
>>
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>>
>> From: CarlosMFreaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxx>
>>
>> And now to the Zeiss Ikon RF. 1)It's a new design from the scratch andhas
>> nothing to do with Bessa, Cosina or Voigtländer from this point of view.-
>> ...
>>
>> I had no possibility to try the ZI RF, but I think and I hope it could be my
>> new camera for the next year, the body has a price I could afford with some
>> effort and I'll see the lens afterward; I always had a good "instinct" for
>> cameras, and my instinct says this is a very good camera.-
>>
>> Carlos
>>
>
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