> I used an M6 for many years (until I went digital), I was impressed > with the marketing b*llshit of the Zeiss Ikon too, until I handled > one. It is a Bessa with modified styling tinwork and a longer > rangefinder base, IMO purely for marketing. There are a few "styling > clues" to make the unwary think there is a family relationship in > something other than styling. It is absolutely -nothing- like a > Contax. I used a Contax II for quite a long time but do not like the > handling. I still use a Contarex with film. > Frank My first camera, first cameras a thing we are talking about on the LUG (which Frank is also on) is a Voigtländer Vito BL which I still amazingly after leaving it on a Chicago public bus still have. My grandfather gave it to my dad who gave it to me when he got his Contarex Bullseye in 1962. It resembles in no way except typeface the cameras being made now in Japan with the same name on it. Which are plastic and hollow. The real ones are metal and solid. For some reason what infuriated me even worse is when they use terms like "Color-Skopar" and "Bessa". Once in a blue moon a new person on that list refers to their brand new cheap Cosina as a " Voigtländer ". And they are politely informed that we tend to refer to them as CV's. The Zeiss Icon's are referred to I think as ZM 's. After the mount. Mark William Rabiner --- Rollei List - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Online, searchable archives are available at //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list