[rollei_list] Re: Ford motor and Rolleiflex
- From: Carlos Manuel Freaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 00:25:36 +0000 (GMT)
Slobodan, I answer you with one of the first comments
that I received for these five photographs with my
original adjustment (I could quote others too), I have
the evidence that the person that wrote the comment is
an excellent photographer from all point of view and
he read about Ansel Adams very much too, he wrote last
Sunday about these five photographs:
"...Carlos,
Slide film is great - really brings out the character
of the lens. I
like the light in these Carlos, espcially this one:
http://
www.flickr.com/ photos/itarfoto/ 312393395/ You got
the metering spot
on! Nice shots...."
All the best
Carlos
--- Slobodan Dimitrov <s.dimitrov@xxxxxxxxxxx>
escribió:
> That kind of correction is best handled during the
> exposure. It's
> kind of like what Adams said about printing on
> anything but a grade
> 2, one must of screwed up somewhere along the way
> before the neg got
> to the darkroom. In this case the scanner.
>
> Slobodan Dimitrov
> http://www.sdimitrovphoto.com/
>
>
>
> On Dec 6, 2006, at 2:41 PM, Carlos Manuel Freaza
> wrote:
>
> > Slobodan, if you are talking about me, I handle
> the PS
> > colors controls from the earlier PS versions for
> Mac;
> > as I commented in one of my posts, I had a version
> > with less blue and I preferred the version with
> more
> > blue, I did not perceive the blue like excess, I
> liked
> > the photographs that way, with more blue.
> > You considered there was a blue excess and you did
> a
> > different adjustment that I also liked, it was
> > different but it does not mean I don't like my
> > original adjustment, those five photographs with
> the
> > original adjustment are receiving a lot of visits
> in
> > Flickr.
> >
> > All the best
> > Carlos
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Slobodan Dimitrov <s.dimitrov@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > escribió:
> >
> >> I would agree up to up to a point. Contravening
> >> reality is what
> >> photography can be about. But in this case, since
> we
> >> drifted this
> >> far, it only shows a lack of knowledge of
> mechanical
> >> controls over
> >> the emulsion.
> >>
> >> Slobodan Dimitrov
> >> http://www.sdimitrovphoto.com/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Dec 6, 2006, at 11:19 AM, Eric Goldstein
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I think these comments don't deal with the
> >> fundamental roll of the
> >>> photographer. It is irrelevant what the original
> >> light in the scene
> >>> was. If the photographer wants to depict a scene
> >> as reality, then any
> >>> light he presents that is plausible will work
> for
> >> the reasons Jim
> >>> describe. If the photographer wants to present a
> >> more dramatic
> >>> depiction which aesthetically departs from
> >> reality, then he can go
> >>> blue or orange or violet or yellow, as long is
> it
> >> works. Yes, the
> >>> image must stand on its own, but plausibility is
> >> not necessarily the
> >>> point...
> >>>
> >>> Take a look at the racing series recently
> >> published in Studio
> >>> Photography:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
http://www.imaginginfo.com/publication/article.jsp?pubId=3&id=2113
> >>>
> >>> I am not holding this series up as a paragon of
> >> excellence, but merely
> >>> as an example of a clear departure from reality
> >> and plausibility which
> >>> works creatively.
> >>>
> >>> As for Jim's statement that the shots are way
> too
> >> blue, that they must
> >>> be corrected, and that all observers will agree
> >> with his
> >>> pronouncement, I say Jim, I and some others on
> >> this list are living
> >>> proof that you are wrong! This is a matter of
> >> taste and opinion, not
> >>> absolute judgment.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Eric Goldstein
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> On 12/6/06, Slobodan Dimitrov
> >> <s.dimitrov@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>> Yep, I have to agree with that. Living in South
> >> Cal. is a bear on
> >>>> contrast control. If onbe has to be there to
> >> explain the image, for
> >>>> quality or content, then that image has failed.
> A
> >> successful print is
> >>>> a stand alone print. Unless it's an essay, and
> >> even then....
> >>>>
> >>>> Slobodan Dimitrov
> >>>> http://www.sdimitrovphoto.com/
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Dec 6, 2006, at 9:49 AM, Jim Brick wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> At 07:33 PM 12/5/2006 -0300, Carlos Manuel
> >> Freaza wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> but the things were blue that afternoon
> >> really.-
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Carlos
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Carlos,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As a photographer, you have to realize that
> the
> >> people looking at
> >>>>> your photographs were not/are not at the place
> >> and time that the
> >>>>> photograph was made. People are simply looking
> >> at your photographic
> >>>>> result. You cannot, therefore, always exhibit
> >> photographs in the
> >>>>> same 'light' that they were taken. While in a
> >> situation, such as
> >>>>> deep shade, one's brain does a marvelous job
> of
> >> correcting colors
> >>>>> and densities so that things look reasonably
> >> normal. Take a
> >>>>> photograph under these circumstances, using
> >> color film, will result
> >>>>> in photographs with a bluish cast. When you
> >> look at the resulting
> >>>>> photographs, your brain may see it as you took
> >> it. Show it to some
> >>>>> who was not there, thus having no frame of
> >> reference, that person
> >>>>> will say "the photographs are way too blue."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Take photographs of sunrises, sunsets, night
> >> street scenes,
> >>>>> interiors, people have -in their mind- what
> >> color these photographs
> >>>>> should be and therefore everything is pretty
> >> much OK.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Your originals are way too blue Carlos.
> >> Correction is absolutely
> >>>>> necessary before showing your Ford motor
> >> photographs to people
> >>>>> other than yourself. Slobodan is correct.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Eighty percent of my photography is color
> >> transparency. And nearly
> >>>>> 100% of that I print on Cibachrome. Living on
> >> the coast of
> >>>>> California, much of my photography is along
> the
> >> ocean (many times
> >>>>> overcast or foggy) and in the deep redwood
> >> forest. Often very cool
> >>>>> in color temperature. Rather than correcting
> in
> >> my enlarger, I
> >>>>> correct on the film by using filters ranging
> >> from KR1.5 to KR6. I
> >>>>> also teach photography (one-on-one private
> >> students and workshops)
> >>>>> therefore the transparencies that I project
> >> must be corrected.
>
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