DJX, I have the code meter service set to manual in administrator services, and I just booted up the XP computer, then looked at Task Manager, without starting Reason, and both code meter.exe and code meter cc.exe were shown in processes. I stopped them both and exited task manager, then reopened task manager to be sure they didn't re appear, and they were still not there. I then opened Reason, played with Doctor Rex a few seconds, then exited, and in task manager code meter.exte was showing, but not code meter cc.exe. Also, code meter.exe was only using less than 2,000k, while code meter.exe and code meter cc.exe usually show over 4000k each being used.
I waited several minutes and code meter.exe still showed in task manager, but CPU usage had crept up to about 2,400k, isn't that strange?
When I shut down the computer I heard one of those Wineyes ghost text saying: Event Viewer, Runtime Code meter.exe, and I can't guess what that means, unless it's from whatever runtime it is that starts code meter.exe.
So, obviously Reason is starting code meter, and obviously, Reason isn't stopping it after Reason is exited.
I don't know yet if that's a bad thing, but if I can get Windows XP 32 clean installed over Windows 7 64 bit on my new computer, I won't put Reason on a drive with anything else, except Reaper, N V D A and WindowEyes. I'm not believing Code meter is malicious yet, just want to make sure it isn't.
Indigo L on On 11/30/2011 3:07 PM, D!J!X! wrote:
Hey try this, set the service to manual, check in msc to be sure it's off (Stopped), then start reaston. When reason starts, it should start the services (started). Then close reason, and check if code meter is on or off (started or stopped). Give it a few secs after shutting reason off. THX, D!J!X! -----Original Message----- From: realmusicians-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:realmusicians-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Roy Shtupler Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 12:07 PM To: realmusicians@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [realmusicians] Re: Code Meter and Reason 6 great the pcr works now; I guess usb is faster than the standard midi cable trnasfer. when Reason runs , it starts the CodeMeter service since it's set to manual thus to start when required. this is the best compromise for the time being. cheers Roy. http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo"<33indigo@xxxxxxxxxxx> To:<realmusicians@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 9:19 AM Subject: [realmusicians] Re: Code Meter and Reason 6Hey, you guys, I detest these watch dog spoiler programs as much as you do; that's why I enjoyed defeating it so much! Roy, I was running Reason 6 with no Code meter, but I was in demo mode. Tomorrow I'll stick the ignition key in and see if it's recognized without Code Meter running. Maybe that's its purpose, to snoop on the legitimacy of the license. Of course, as I think I said, who cares anyway, if any of us can't afford the license, we can still get at those great Reason 6 sounds byreWire.Tomorrow, I'll go back to Administrator services and stop Code Meter, then try the ignition key, just for curiousity. By the way, Roy, I got my Edirol USB driver re installed and got Windows Add hardware pointed to it, and Reason auto recognized and configured my Edirol PCR-300 within a few seconds. It plays Reason way better on USB than it did on midi cables. Indigo L On 11/29/2011 2:00 AM, Chris Belle wrote:Damn right my man, I guess sometimes it's unavoidable if you want to run certain things, but guess that's why I'm such a sonar fan, it of all the daws has the least intrusive foot-print on the system. A simple serial and registration. That's enough. and funnily enough, cakewalk experiences a lot less piracy than many of it's competitors. Hmmmm, wonder why? could it be that people respect and like a company that doesn't make it hard for them to use their stuff and would rather buy the stuff? Just a thought. I think the hacker community thrives and is challenged by these heavgy handed schemes, it's like a big game, and if you don't give them a challenge, they don't care and leave you alone. I still think it's possible to be a software developer and not have to be so heavy handed in typing your stuff down that the system gets all messed up-. And haven't they figured out by now, that copy protection doesn't work? A simple key branded with your name and your id will stop most casual sharing. Ah well, such is life 'grin'. At 06:22 PM 11/28/2011, you wrote:agree on this completely. cheers Roy. http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "D!J!X!" <megamansuperior@xxxxxxxxxxx> To:<realmusicians@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 1:54 AM Subject: [realmusicians] Re: Code Meter and Reason 6Letting it startup when reason does is not the problem, you have to check if the service shuts off and stops running after you close reason. Also, while reason is running it'll still mess things up; that's where my real problem is, that the protection stuff slows down the app it's made to protect and sometimes other running processes as well. Now, to make this clear, I did notice some weird behaviour that wasn't there before installing reason, which is when I went looking and found code meeter running on my services. I then looked in controll panel and start menu and everywhere else and found no reference to it, neither was there an option to remove it; keep in mind that this was after I had removed Reason and all references to Propellerhead stuff. This is where my problem is, this is what we consider "malware behaviour." This is what got Sony in trouble a few years ago with their CD protection scheme and the small software piece it installed on systems when a disc containing this system was played. People didn't know it was being installed, and neither could they remove it (that part being the worst). I'm not saying code meeter is necessarily bad for you, though it seems that most people who've tried have experienced some issues, but I'm saying that I personally don't like any apps that use these weird protection schemes or programs that interfear with my system in a "malware-like" way. Regards, D!J!X! -----Original Message----- From: realmusicians-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:realmusicians-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Indigo Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 12:00 PM To: realmusicians@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [realmusicians] Code Meter and Reason 6 Hey Chris and DJX, Roy says, I've removed the CodeMeter program from the startup group , and changed its services to start manually , not automatically , so it doesn't automatically load everytime the system boots.Unquote. I've got to learn to try more of these experiments, and not just sit back and let myself be victimized by software. What's the worse that could have happened, if that wasn't successful, Reason might crash after bootup, like I seem to remember happening to Hypersonic 2 if its SynchroSoft isn't present. Wow, this could make a real difference to me, not to have little odd behaveors while Code Meter is running. I'll remove Code Meter from the Win7 64 machine's startup first, maybe it'll return to its original quickness. I still want Reason 6 on a drive by itself, though, just in case. Indigo LFor all your audio production needs and technology training, visit us at www.affordablestudioservices.com or contact Chris Belle cb1963@xxxxxxxxxxxxx or Stephie Belle stephieb1961@xxxxxxxxxxxxx for customized web design
