[pure-silver] Re: Experts: Ansel Adams photos found at garage sale worth $200 million
- From: Gerald Koch <gerald.koch@xxxxxxx>
- To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 08:39:44 -0700 (PDT)
While the negatives may have been made by Ansel Adams, no prints from them will
ever be! I think this greatly effects the negatives value. This seems to be
lost on most of the public.
Jerry
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From: "mark@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <mark@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thu, July 29, 2010 11:27:49 AM
Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Experts: Ansel Adams photos found at garage sale
worth $200 million
The answer is money. When someone threw out the $200 million figure, it
started
the ball rolling. Court is where it will most likely stop. Court means
lawyers, maybe a team depending on how the situation develops. Whether it be
copyright, criminal, or maybe even tax, I think you can rest assured that
lawyers will be involved till this is settled. That assumes it ever is
-------- Original Message --------
>Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Experts: Ansel Adams photos found at
>garage sale worth $200 million
>From: Don Sweet <don@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Date: Wed, July 28, 2010 10:50 pm
>To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
>Peter
>
>Don't get me wrong, I love the legal system - it's how I make my living. But
>the most a Court can do, in your country or mine, is to find on the basis of
>the
>evidence the parties choose to call, that the particular case has either
>been proved to the applicable standard or not proved. For the parties
>involved
>in the case, the legal consequences flow accordingly (subject to any appeal
>rights). The rest of us may or may not be impressed by the decision, but it
>has
>no meaning or consequences for us; we are free to seek a different decision
>elsewhere if we have different evidence. Better evidence later sometimes
>results in sounder decisions (which is the best single argument against the
>death penalty)
>
>As there would therefore not be much point in starting a court case over the
>authenticity of these negatives, I fail to see why these people are talking
>like Melvin Belli.
>
>Don Sweet
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>>From: Peter Badcock
>>To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 3:57 PM
>>Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Experts: Ansel Adams photos found at garage sale
>>worth $200 million
>>
>>Don,
>>Curators, colleagues, workmates and family certainly would have valuable
>>evidence to submit, BUT it is then up to one or more independent experts in
>>the
>>fields of history, science, forensics etc to be consulted in order to asses
>>each
>>piece of evidence and or garner additional evidence and come to a joint
>>conclusion/recommendation as to the authenticity of the origin/authenticity
>>of
>>the negatives. Now if somebody then wants to make a civil litigious claim
>>because they dispute the expert's findings this is where the legal system
>>gets
>>involved whether we like it or not.
>>
>>If you are not willing to place a level of trust the legal system in your
>>country then you need to come up with a better method, convince the
>>authorities
>>and have it implemented. All legal systems have accounts of wrongful
>>convictions (whether done intentionally or not), but if we automatically
>>distrust the legal profession because of a few bad apples then it all becomes
>>too big a problem to solve unless you want to devote a few lifetimes to it !
>>
>>rgds
>>Peter
>>
>>
>>
>>On 29 July 2010 06:48, Don Sweet <don@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>Peter
>>>
>>>Surely you don't ask the FBI or the Attorney General or forensics experts
>>>about
>>>the authenticity of artworks, and try to build a case "beyond reasonable
>>>doubt". Using those strategies, commonly employed in adversarial
>>>litigation,
>>>such as a criminal trial, just makes me more sceptical. Not to put too fine
>>>a
>>>point on things, people have not just been jailed for life, they been
>>>sentenced
>>>to death on the basis of statements like that, only to be pardoned
>>>posthumously
>>>with the help of DNA analysis.
>>>
>>>If these are Adams' negatives, shouldn't we be hearing from experts such as
>>>curators, and colleagues and workmates of Adams, and of course his family?
>>>
>>>My main point of course was that any coherent principle of compensation for
>>>mistakes of this sort would need to work both ways.
>>>
>>>
>>>Don Sweet
>>>
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