RE: android app development
- From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 22:31:41 -0500
I disagree with you saying user friendly it is not. Maybe not yet for the
blind but I will tell you this I know more older above 60 years old people
using android than IPhone. You know why? First off when you plug the
Android phone into a computer no matter if it's a mac or a pc you get a
drive that's right just a drive imagine that you can copy files and stuff
just like your used to. You don't have to load bloated ugly software that
even my geek wife hates all though she has an IPhone and Ipad. Second when
you install apps it's a cleaner experience even cleaner than the app store
on Iphone. I freely admit I am a developer and cannot judge myself the
ease in these environments because I love even the pain in the butt tech
toys but when my friend's mother picks up an Android phone at the age of 58
and loves the thing instantly you cannot say it's a tech toy. In fact The
browser is one of those things that is easier to use for sighted people it
just is fast and the browser seems to be bound into everything. Not to
mention there is just nothing like talking to an Android phone. The IPhone
pales in comparison when you are talking to the phone. These are things the
older people notice
Now if you're a techy young geek you might like the IPhone more but the
truth is Android phones are cheaper and have more plans, and have just an
easier phone like interface to get used to. IPhone is let's face it a mini
me mac. If you're not a mac nut you're not going to be a Iphone nut.
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 10:21 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: android app development
I'd be the first to congrajulate you on the prediction if it comes
true in 6 months. I've checked out some of the new handset's running
Android, and very sexy they are indeed. Also, nice to have a platform
where you can (given the right device) hack to your heart's content.
You can even adb shell and get a basic linux prompt from where you can
start accessibility.
However, nice consumer phone it certainly isn't yet--partly because I
don't think it's meant to be. With more power and configurability,
the more the user has to understand what goes on under the hood. It's
kind of the classic debate between Windows and Mac. Where Windows has
a laundry list of options, Mac has maybe ten.
I tend to like one or the other when I'm in different moods (layed
back or hacking mode). I'd just like to see a little more attention
to the nice-ities on access for the non-iphone platforms for us.
On 12/16/10, Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I am saving this file today is December. The 16th I will write again No
> later than June next year. Let's see how the discussion goes then.
>
> Ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dave
> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 9:08 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: android app development
>
> Good points about android. Believe me, I want to see a good solution
coming
> from this space, but knowing the challenges faced by these groups, I'm
> somewhat skeptical. If someone's building their own branch of android,
then
> ow could see where it can happen. As with anything, it'll take some
time.
> Braille on the iphone's got bugs for sure. However, at least they're
making
> an effort. How in the world is a third party going to fund the
development
> of a free system for android? which dev's are willing to work for free on
> that?
>
> On Dec 16, 2010, at 5:59 PM, "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> See I think your
>> missing something. I am not complaining about the IPhone per say. I am
>> complaining about Apple. They have not yet got Braille right on the Mac
>> book pro I use every day. How do you suppose they are going to get it
> right
>> on an IPhone or a Mac if they refuse to put computer Braille on it.
> Believe
>> me I am in touch with them and they are in no hurry. Without computer
>> Braille you have what you have now and its crap.
>>
>> Would you be ranting about a computer that could print to 5000 different
>> printers but Oh sorry you can only use one font and only half the
>> punctuation? Hell no but you're ok with this?
>>
>> Ken
>> ken
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Littlefield,
>> Tyler
>> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 4:45 PM
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: android app development
>>
>> And how long did it take apple to decide to support the braille
>> displays? so because apple took forever after people joined the IOrgi
>> and android wasn't right up there with them, it's bad?
>> On 12/16/2010 2:41 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
>>> I know it is not ideal right now. However:
>>> 1. This is the first iteration of braille input and output in iOS, and
>>> the first release of anything is never perfect. At least grade 2
>>> output is good, the touch cursor works for editing, and so on.
>>> 2. You can just get a case with a bluetooth (qwerty) keyboard that
>>> flips out for when you do not want to use the braille.
>>> 3. At least braille output is there, making it very convenient to look
>>> up information when it is too noisy to hear the speech, and you can
>>> even turn off speech and still use braille.
>>> Sure there are bugs, but I am saying that it is a great deal better
>>> than Android, and Google did not seem to even make an effort with the
>>> 2.3 release...
>>>
>>> On 12/16/10, Ken Perry<whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> As for the Braille displays on the IPhone it might support them but
>> just
>>>> try to type a web address let me explain how you have to do it because
> of
>>>> the stupid way Apple did Braille.
>>>>
>>>> Type w three times wait almost 2 seconds sometimes then type low d if
> you
>>>> don't wait you will get double d. then type google. Wait till it
> catches
>> p
>>>> sometimes its fast sometimes it is not type low d again make sure it
>> catches
>>>> up or you will get double d. They did not support computer Braille so
>> you
>>>> have to do these stupid work arounds to be able to type. I would
rather
>> get
>>>> a tooth pulled with no anesthetic. So my nice RB18 stays put away and
I
>>>> type on the screen slowly. Really slow.ly. With my G2 though I can
msn
>>>> rocket fast and I can even search even though the web browser is iffy
>> with
>>>> ideal it is getting better. I can tell you that in the long run apple
>> will
>>>> not hold a candle to Android.
>>>>
>>>> Ken
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 2:56 PM
>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: Re: android app development
>>>>
>>>> No, I have not used it much, but I have read many reviews, including
>>>> the recent article about the lack of built in accessibility frameworks
>>>> all but halting development of better screen readers which could, for
>>>> example, provide use of the touch screen for standard UI elements.
>>>> While Android's accessibility may not be Narrator, my point was that
>>>> it is far behind where Apple is, and the most recent version of
>>>> Android did nothing to change that, whereas the most recent version of
>>>> iOS added wireless braille support for just about every
>>>> bluetooth-enabled display I can think of.
>>>>
>>>> On 12/16/10, Littlefield, Tyler<tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>> You've apparently not used android much. I know people that use it for
>>>>> quite a lot, and it does more than narrator does.
>>>>> On 12/16/2010 11:38 AM, Alex Midence wrote:
>>>>>> So ironic. Downright sad, if you ask me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "In the house of the blacksmith, they use a wooden knife."--Old Latin
>>>>>> American saying.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Mechanics' children have broken cars ..." "... A doctor's family
>>>>>> never gets cured."--Old proverbs from elsewhere
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alex M
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 10:30 AM
>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: Re: iOS development?
>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>> Android has the equivalent of Microsoft Narrator, whereas iOS has
>>>>>> JAWS, complete with wireless braille display support (which is quite
>>>>>> good, especially as it is the first braille support for iOS).
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