RE: android app development

  • From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 16:14:00 -0500

You keep selling the talk back short but it is not really the problem the
problem is actually the accessibility events .  You are arguing the price
but it cost me 700 $ for my IPhhone cause I didn't  want the 3 year plan.


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From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Midence
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 4:00 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: android app development


Yeah, I know.  I've heard the g2 is nice.  It was also like twice as
much money.  Charm is the most affordable one with the most
functionality.  All the others either hadandroid 1.6 or didn't have a
physical keyboard or were not on the list of phones that worked with
eyes-free.  The g-2 is the top of the line.  Like 500 bucks or
something.  Mine was about 200 which I had them tack onto my bill over
a year or two.  My point is that it needs work.  That, and that the
screen reader is less advanced than that which you can find for
Symbian, Windows Mobile and IPhone.  I've never used Rimm so, can't
speak on that.  I was extremely impressed with the gesture interface
for iPhone.  You explore the screen with one finger and it knows that
you are only using one finger.  When you want to select something, use
three fingers to tap it or just explore with three fingers and lift up
on what you want to select.  It was pretty cool.  I was quite happy
with Windows Mobile 6 and MobileSpeak.  I moved to Android because I
was impressed with Dr. Raman's work in Emacspeak and figured that if
there was a blind developer in charge of accessibility for the
eyes-free interface that the phone would work very nicely.  That and
I'm a Linux enthusiast.  I'm pleased at the possibilities for the
future which are far beyond the competitors.  The gps is wonderful and
free.  Mobile Geo is expensive as is WayFinder.  Walky Talky is free
and very nice.  The haptic thing is seriously cool to and what it
suggests by way of possibilities is exciting.  There are still bugs to
work out, however and I often find myself wishing that I had waited
another year or so before going with this option.  We need a way to
explore the screen without triggering events and still explore with
the fingers and not the key pad.  We need a way to assign hotkeys
where physical keys are not provided.  I have two enter keys, one a
select key and the other a return key that do basically the same
thing.  I would gladly sacrifice one to be the hang up button.  Heck,
it ought to be mandatory that dial and hang up/end call bbe physical
keys.  The key pad needs to be usable while the phone us up to the
ear.  Turn off touch screen but keep keypad as input device.
Automated systems like a banking system or my special needs transit
system's automated menu are brutal to use right now.  Just bugs, you
see.  rough edges that need to be ironed out and which I think should
have been before this was released.  Yes, it's open source and yes, it
is technically free but you have to pay for the phone to get it and I
am sure Google gets a slice of the proceeds any time someone buys
Android phones.
Alex M

On 12/16/10, Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Littlefield,
> Tyler
> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 2:33 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: android app development
> Hopefully some of this will get fixed. I know there has been talk about
> it, but I don't know to much more than that. Thanks for the info though.
> First off I use a lot of main stream apps from msn to a couple games.  The
> fact is you have to use eyes free to get all the functionality for now but
> you can still download apps and use them if they  use regular controls no
> different than the IPhone and I have both.  I will say the web browser is
> better on the IPhone for now and so is email but at least you can use them
> with the ideal plug in.  You have one of the worst phones..  I had a G1
> now a G2 and its much better.
> Ken
> On 12/16/2010 12:10 PM, Alex Midence wrote:
>> I have a motorola charm with android loaded onto it.  It's just OK,
>> Ty.  Lots of potential but for now, it's just OK.  Sometimes, it is
>> downright frustrating, to be honest.  The Talk-back screen reader is
>> very primitive.  It's greatest feature is incorporation of tactile
>> feedback.  It's going in a completely new direction than others on
>> other platforms because of this "Haptic feedback."   apparently, some
>> work is being done to develop an app that produces haptic feedback in
>> the form of a scanned image or picture taken with the camera..
>> Someone mentioned using it to tactally explore a building or
>> something.  What it lacks and this is big, is an exploratory mode for
>> the touch screen.  You can not explore that thing without selecting
>> what you touch.  Only work around is the "eyes free shell".  If you
>> want to use something mainstream, you are out of luck.  Also, you
>> can't assign hotkeys for stuff with it either.  For instance, I can't
>> hang up my phone.  Others have to hang up on me.  Reason?  The hang up
>> button is an icon on the touch screen appearing in different spots for
>> every call.  You can use arrow keys to arrow to it but, they stop
>> working if the phone is up to your face and the screen reader voice
>> turns down to incoming call volume when you are on a call so, if you
>> pull the phone away from your face to use arrow keys, you can't hear
>> the screen reader land on the hang up button.  If you try to get the
>> thing just close enough, your cheek will touch an icon or something
>> and launch an application like the web browser or the weather widget
>> or phone book and you have to close that app to get back to the call
>> window to hang up all the while doing this little inch closer and inch
>> away dance with your hand set so you don't turn off the screen and
>> input from keyboard and still be able to hear what you are doing.  So,
>> I have a phone that has a gps, text messenger, camera, weather widget,
>> etc that I can't hang up and that is a pain to dial with.  Meaning,
>> it's primary function is difficult to make use of.
>> Observations from an Android end user who uses his phone every day.
>> Alex M
>> On 12/16/10, Littlefield, Tyler<tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>  wrote:
>>> You've apparently not used android much. I know people that use it for
>>> quite a lot, and it does more than narrator does.
>>> On 12/16/2010 11:38 AM, Alex Midence wrote:
>>>> So ironic.  Downright sad, if you ask me.
>>>> "In the house of the blacksmith, they use a wooden knife."--Old Latin
>>>> American saying.
>>>> "Mechanics' children have broken cars ..."  "... A doctor's family
>>>> never gets cured."--Old proverbs from elsewhere
>>>> Alex M
>>>> -----Original Message-----
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>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 10:30 AM
>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: Re: iOS development?
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>>>> Android has the equivalent of Microsoft Narrator, whereas iOS has
>>>> JAWS, complete with wireless braille display support (which is quite
>>>> good, especially as it is the first braille support for iOS).
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