RE: android app development
- From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 22:25:43 -0500
God I don't even have to. Such misguidedness has already been proven wrong,
time and time again.
Take care,
Sina
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From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ken Perry
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 10:06 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: android app development
I am saving this file today is December. The 16th I will write again No later
than June next year. Let's see how the discussion
goes then.
Ken
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[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 9:08 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: android app development
Good points about android. Believe me, I want to see a good solution coming
from this space, but knowing the challenges faced by
these groups, I'm somewhat skeptical. If someone's building their own branch
of android, then
ow could see where it can happen. As with anything, it'll take some time.
Braille on the iphone's got bugs for sure. However, at least they're making an
effort. How in the world is a third party going to
fund the development of a free system for android? which dev's are willing to
work for free on that?
On Dec 16, 2010, at 5:59 PM, "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> See I think your
> missing something. I am not complaining about the IPhone per say. I
> am complaining about Apple. They have not yet got Braille right on
> the Mac book pro I use every day. How do you suppose they are going
> to get it
right
> on an IPhone or a Mac if they refuse to put computer Braille on it.
Believe
> me I am in touch with them and they are in no hurry. Without computer
> Braille you have what you have now and its crap.
>
> Would you be ranting about a computer that could print to 5000
> different printers but Oh sorry you can only use one font and only
> half the punctuation? Hell no but you're ok with this?
>
> Ken
> ken
>
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> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Littlefield, Tyler
> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 4:45 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: android app development
>
> And how long did it take apple to decide to support the braille
> displays? so because apple took forever after people joined the IOrgi
> and android wasn't right up there with them, it's bad?
> On 12/16/2010 2:41 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
>> I know it is not ideal right now. However:
>> 1. This is the first iteration of braille input and output in iOS,
>> and the first release of anything is never perfect. At least grade 2
>> output is good, the touch cursor works for editing, and so on.
>> 2. You can just get a case with a bluetooth (qwerty) keyboard that
>> flips out for when you do not want to use the braille.
>> 3. At least braille output is there, making it very convenient to
>> look up information when it is too noisy to hear the speech, and you
>> can even turn off speech and still use braille.
>> Sure there are bugs, but I am saying that it is a great deal better
>> than Android, and Google did not seem to even make an effort with the
>> 2.3 release...
>>
>> On 12/16/10, Ken Perry<whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> As for the Braille displays on the IPhone it might support them
>>> but
> just
>>> try to type a web address let me explain how you have to do it
>>> because
of
>>> the stupid way Apple did Braille.
>>>
>>> Type w three times wait almost 2 seconds sometimes then type low d
>>> if
you
>>> don't wait you will get double d. then type google. Wait till it
catches
> p
>>> sometimes its fast sometimes it is not type low d again make sure it
> catches
>>> up or you will get double d. They did not support computer Braille
>>> so
> you
>>> have to do these stupid work arounds to be able to type. I would
>>> rather
> get
>>> a tooth pulled with no anesthetic. So my nice RB18 stays put away
>>> and I type on the screen slowly. Really slow.ly. With my G2 though
>>> I can msn rocket fast and I can even search even though the web
>>> browser is iffy
> with
>>> ideal it is getting better. I can tell you that in the long run
>>> apple
> will
>>> not hold a candle to Android.
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex
>>> Hall
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 2:56 PM
>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Re: android app development
>>>
>>> No, I have not used it much, but I have read many reviews, including
>>> the recent article about the lack of built in accessibility
>>> frameworks all but halting development of better screen readers
>>> which could, for example, provide use of the touch screen for standard UI
>>> elements.
>>> While Android's accessibility may not be Narrator, my point was that
>>> it is far behind where Apple is, and the most recent version of
>>> Android did nothing to change that, whereas the most recent version
>>> of iOS added wireless braille support for just about every
>>> bluetooth-enabled display I can think of.
>>>
>>> On 12/16/10, Littlefield, Tyler<tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> You've apparently not used android much. I know people that use it
>>>> for quite a lot, and it does more than narrator does.
>>>> On 12/16/2010 11:38 AM, Alex Midence wrote:
>>>>> So ironic. Downright sad, if you ask me.
>>>>>
>>>>> "In the house of the blacksmith, they use a wooden knife."--Old
>>>>> Latin American saying.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Mechanics' children have broken cars ..." "... A doctor's family
>>>>> never gets cured."--Old proverbs from elsewhere
>>>>>
>>>>> Alex M
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex
>>>>> Hall
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 10:30 AM
>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: Re: iOS development?
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>> Android has the equivalent of Microsoft Narrator, whereas iOS has
>>>>> JAWS, complete with wireless braille display support (which is
>>>>> quite good, especially as it is the first braille support for iOS).
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