are you kidding me? have you even used an android device? they're not even in the same league. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 16, 2010, at 1:45 PM, "Littlefield, Tyler" <tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > And how long did it take apple to decide to support the braille displays? so > because apple took forever after people joined the IOrgi and android wasn't > right up there with them, it's bad? > On 12/16/2010 2:41 PM, Alex Hall wrote: >> I know it is not ideal right now. However: >> 1. This is the first iteration of braille input and output in iOS, and >> the first release of anything is never perfect. At least grade 2 >> output is good, the touch cursor works for editing, and so on. >> 2. You can just get a case with a bluetooth (qwerty) keyboard that >> flips out for when you do not want to use the braille. >> 3. At least braille output is there, making it very convenient to look >> up information when it is too noisy to hear the speech, and you can >> even turn off speech and still use braille. >> Sure there are bugs, but I am saying that it is a great deal better >> than Android, and Google did not seem to even make an effort with the >> 2.3 release... >> >> On 12/16/10, Ken Perry<whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> As for the Braille displays on the IPhone it might support them but just >>> try to type a web address let me explain how you have to do it because of >>> the stupid way Apple did Braille. >>> >>> Type w three times wait almost 2 seconds sometimes then type low d if you >>> don't wait you will get double d. then type google. Wait till it catches p >>> sometimes its fast sometimes it is not type low d again make sure it catches >>> up or you will get double d. They did not support computer Braille so you >>> have to do these stupid work arounds to be able to type. I would rather get >>> a tooth pulled with no anesthetic. So my nice RB18 stays put away and I >>> type on the screen slowly. Really slow.ly. With my G2 though I can msn >>> rocket fast and I can even search even though the web browser is iffy with >>> ideal it is getting better. I can tell you that in the long run apple will >>> not hold a candle to Android. >>> >>> Ken >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Hall >>> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 2:56 PM >>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: Re: android app development >>> >>> No, I have not used it much, but I have read many reviews, including >>> the recent article about the lack of built in accessibility frameworks >>> all but halting development of better screen readers which could, for >>> example, provide use of the touch screen for standard UI elements. >>> While Android's accessibility may not be Narrator, my point was that >>> it is far behind where Apple is, and the most recent version of >>> Android did nothing to change that, whereas the most recent version of >>> iOS added wireless braille support for just about every >>> bluetooth-enabled display I can think of. >>> >>> On 12/16/10, Littlefield, Tyler<tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>> You've apparently not used android much. I know people that use it for >>>> quite a lot, and it does more than narrator does. >>>> On 12/16/2010 11:38 AM, Alex Midence wrote: >>>>> So ironic. Downright sad, if you ask me. >>>>> >>>>> "In the house of the blacksmith, they use a wooden knife."--Old Latin >>>>> American saying. >>>>> >>>>> "Mechanics' children have broken cars ..." "... A doctor's family >>>>> never gets cured."--Old proverbs from elsewhere >>>>> >>>>> Alex M >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Hall >>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 10:30 AM >>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> Subject: Re: iOS development? >>>>> <snip> >>>>> Android has the equivalent of Microsoft Narrator, whereas iOS has >>>>> JAWS, complete with wireless braille display support (which is quite >>>>> good, especially as it is the first braille support for iOS). >>>>> __________ >>>>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Ty >>>> >>>> __________ >>>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Have a great day, >>> Alex (msg sent from GMail website) >>> mehgcap@xxxxxxxxx; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap >>> __________ >>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>> >>> __________ >>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>> >>> >> > > > -- > > Thanks, > Ty > > __________ > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind