I do know it's nice, I've seen it being used. But I think a lot of people are flocking to it, without looking anywhere else, (like android). I speak from experience, because I got my Mac around the same time everyone else was getting theirs--possibly a bit before. Voiceover was great, it works out of the box. but voiceover has many many problems that I don't experience with jaws. I know that jaws does have it's problems, but voiceover still has some cleanup to do before it can be quite as good in comparison. A lot of the "IPhone will never compare to android" is coming from people who are amazed at the fact that "gosh, it works out of the box!" and haven't taken a look at android.
On 12/16/2010 6:01 PM, Dave wrote:
loving it. try sending an email from your mobile device. you gotta give apple some credit for making something that many blind people can actually use as opposed to having unrealized potential. how old are you anyways? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 16, 2010, at 4:13 PM, "Littlefield, Tyler"<tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:Sent from my iPhoneAnother one on the IGasm train... On 12/16/2010 4:34 PM, Dave wrote:are you kidding me? have you even used an android device? they're not even in the same league. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 16, 2010, at 1:45 PM, "Littlefield, Tyler"<tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:And how long did it take apple to decide to support the braille displays? so because apple took forever after people joined the IOrgi and android wasn't right up there with them, it's bad? On 12/16/2010 2:41 PM, Alex Hall wrote:I know it is not ideal right now. However: 1. This is the first iteration of braille input and output in iOS, and the first release of anything is never perfect. At least grade 2 output is good, the touch cursor works for editing, and so on. 2. You can just get a case with a bluetooth (qwerty) keyboard that flips out for when you do not want to use the braille. 3. At least braille output is there, making it very convenient to look up information when it is too noisy to hear the speech, and you can even turn off speech and still use braille. Sure there are bugs, but I am saying that it is a great deal better than Android, and Google did not seem to even make an effort with the 2.3 release... On 12/16/10, Ken Perry<whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:As for the Braille displays on the IPhone it might support them but just try to type a web address let me explain how you have to do it because of the stupid way Apple did Braille. Type w three times wait almost 2 seconds sometimes then type low d if you don't wait you will get double d. then type google. Wait till it catches p sometimes its fast sometimes it is not type low d again make sure it catches up or you will get double d. They did not support computer Braille so you have to do these stupid work arounds to be able to type. I would rather get a tooth pulled with no anesthetic. So my nice RB18 stays put away and I type on the screen slowly. Really slow.ly. With my G2 though I can msn rocket fast and I can even search even though the web browser is iffy with ideal it is getting better. I can tell you that in the long run apple will not hold a candle to Android. Ken -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Hall Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 2:56 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: android app development No, I have not used it much, but I have read many reviews, including the recent article about the lack of built in accessibility frameworks all but halting development of better screen readers which could, for example, provide use of the touch screen for standard UI elements. While Android's accessibility may not be Narrator, my point was that it is far behind where Apple is, and the most recent version of Android did nothing to change that, whereas the most recent version of iOS added wireless braille support for just about every bluetooth-enabled display I can think of. On 12/16/10, Littlefield, Tyler<tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:You've apparently not used android much. 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A doctor's family never gets cured."--Old proverbs from elsewhere Alex M -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Hall Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 10:30 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: iOS development? <snip> Android has the equivalent of Microsoft Narrator, whereas iOS has JAWS, complete with wireless braille display support (which is quite good, especially as it is the first braille support for iOS). __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind-- Thanks, Ty __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind-- Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from GMail website) mehgcap@xxxxxxxxx; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind-- Thanks, Ty __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind__________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind-- Thanks, Ty __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind__________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind
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