RE: android app development
- From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 20:42:24 -0500
If you think for a second that Apple is going to be able to keep up with all
the companies now putting into the Android platform you will be sorely
disappointed in the long run. I am the first to say that I use my IPhone
more than my android right now. That doesn't mean one has all the goodies.
Like I said If I want to type long messages or sit and msn with someone I do
not even pull the IPhone out of the bag. If however I want to play a good
game of moxi or do a web search to find out when the shuttle will get here
then I use the Iphone. I see a time not but 6 months away when that will
not be the case.
Ken
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From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 6:55 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: android app development
Sure. How much do you think a comparable Android device costs without a
contract? Ken, I won't argue that there's problems with Android
accessibility at a platform level, but that's going to reflect badly on the
whole end user experience.
On Dec 16, 2010, at 3:48 PM, Alex Midence <alex.midence@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Perhaps you are right at that. I don't know much about the nuts and
> bolts of Android. I am looking at it from an end user perspective.
> The reason I don't have an iPhone is exactly the same as yours. I
> refused to pay 700 bucks for a phone. My god, man, that's more than
> some desktop pc's cost! Ridiculous if you ask me. It's a phone!
>
> Alex M
>
> On 12/16/10, Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> You keep selling the talk back short but it is not really the problem the
>> problem is actually the accessibility events . You are arguing the price
>> but it cost me 700 $ for my IPhhone cause I didn't want the 3 year plan.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Midence
>> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 4:00 PM
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: android app development
>>
>> Ken,
>>
>> Yeah, I know. I've heard the g2 is nice. It was also like twice as
>> much money. Charm is the most affordable one with the most
>> functionality. All the others either hadandroid 1.6 or didn't have a
>> physical keyboard or were not on the list of phones that worked with
>> eyes-free. The g-2 is the top of the line. Like 500 bucks or
>> something. Mine was about 200 which I had them tack onto my bill over
>> a year or two. My point is that it needs work. That, and that the
>> screen reader is less advanced than that which you can find for
>> Symbian, Windows Mobile and IPhone. I've never used Rimm so, can't
>> speak on that. I was extremely impressed with the gesture interface
>> for iPhone. You explore the screen with one finger and it knows that
>> you are only using one finger. When you want to select something, use
>> three fingers to tap it or just explore with three fingers and lift up
>> on what you want to select. It was pretty cool. I was quite happy
>> with Windows Mobile 6 and MobileSpeak. I moved to Android because I
>> was impressed with Dr. Raman's work in Emacspeak and figured that if
>> there was a blind developer in charge of accessibility for the
>> eyes-free interface that the phone would work very nicely. That and
>> I'm a Linux enthusiast. I'm pleased at the possibilities for the
>> future which are far beyond the competitors. The gps is wonderful and
>> free. Mobile Geo is expensive as is WayFinder. Walky Talky is free
>> and very nice. The haptic thing is seriously cool to and what it
>> suggests by way of possibilities is exciting. There are still bugs to
>> work out, however and I often find myself wishing that I had waited
>> another year or so before going with this option. We need a way to
>> explore the screen without triggering events and still explore with
>> the fingers and not the key pad. We need a way to assign hotkeys
>> where physical keys are not provided. I have two enter keys, one a
>> select key and the other a return key that do basically the same
>> thing. I would gladly sacrifice one to be the hang up button. Heck,
>> it ought to be mandatory that dial and hang up/end call bbe physical
>> keys. The key pad needs to be usable while the phone us up to the
>> ear. Turn off touch screen but keep keypad as input device.
>> Automated systems like a banking system or my special needs transit
>> system's automated menu are brutal to use right now. Just bugs, you
>> see. rough edges that need to be ironed out and which I think should
>> have been before this was released. Yes, it's open source and yes, it
>> is technically free but you have to pay for the phone to get it and I
>> am sure Google gets a slice of the proceeds any time someone buys
>> Android phones.
>> Alex M
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/16/10, Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Littlefield,
>>> Tyler
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 2:33 PM
>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Re: android app development
>>>
>>> Hopefully some of this will get fixed. I know there has been talk about
>>> it, but I don't know to much more than that. Thanks for the info though.
>>> First off I use a lot of main stream apps from msn to a couple games.
The
>>> fact is you have to use eyes free to get all the functionality for now
but
>>> you can still download apps and use them if they use regular controls
no
>>> different than the IPhone and I have both. I will say the web browser
is
>>> better on the IPhone for now and so is email but at least you can use
them
>>> with the ideal plug in. You have one of the worst phones.. I had a G1
>> and
>>> now a G2 and its much better.
>>>
>>> Ken
>>> On 12/16/2010 12:10 PM, Alex Midence wrote:
>>>> I have a motorola charm with android loaded onto it. It's just OK,
>>>> Ty. Lots of potential but for now, it's just OK. Sometimes, it is
>>>> downright frustrating, to be honest. The Talk-back screen reader is
>>>> very primitive. It's greatest feature is incorporation of tactile
>>>> feedback. It's going in a completely new direction than others on
>>>> other platforms because of this "Haptic feedback." apparently, some
>>>> work is being done to develop an app that produces haptic feedback in
>>>> the form of a scanned image or picture taken with the camera..
>>>> Someone mentioned using it to tactally explore a building or
>>>> something. What it lacks and this is big, is an exploratory mode for
>>>> the touch screen. You can not explore that thing without selecting
>>>> what you touch. Only work around is the "eyes free shell". If you
>>>> want to use something mainstream, you are out of luck. Also, you
>>>> can't assign hotkeys for stuff with it either. For instance, I can't
>>>> hang up my phone. Others have to hang up on me. Reason? The hang up
>>>> button is an icon on the touch screen appearing in different spots for
>>>> every call. You can use arrow keys to arrow to it but, they stop
>>>> working if the phone is up to your face and the screen reader voice
>>>> turns down to incoming call volume when you are on a call so, if you
>>>> pull the phone away from your face to use arrow keys, you can't hear
>>>> the screen reader land on the hang up button. If you try to get the
>>>> thing just close enough, your cheek will touch an icon or something
>>>> and launch an application like the web browser or the weather widget
>>>> or phone book and you have to close that app to get back to the call
>>>> window to hang up all the while doing this little inch closer and inch
>>>> away dance with your hand set so you don't turn off the screen and
>>>> input from keyboard and still be able to hear what you are doing. So,
>>>> I have a phone that has a gps, text messenger, camera, weather widget,
>>>> etc that I can't hang up and that is a pain to dial with. Meaning,
>>>> it's primary function is difficult to make use of.
>>>>
>>>> Observations from an Android end user who uses his phone every day.
>>>> Alex M
>>>>
>>>> On 12/16/10, Littlefield, Tyler<tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>> You've apparently not used android much. I know people that use it for
>>>>> quite a lot, and it does more than narrator does.
>>>>> On 12/16/2010 11:38 AM, Alex Midence wrote:
>>>>>> So ironic. Downright sad, if you ask me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "In the house of the blacksmith, they use a wooden knife."--Old Latin
>>>>>> American saying.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Mechanics' children have broken cars ..." "... A doctor's family
>>>>>> never gets cured."--Old proverbs from elsewhere
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alex M
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 10:30 AM
>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: Re: iOS development?
>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>> Android has the equivalent of Microsoft Narrator, whereas iOS has
>>>>>> JAWS, complete with wireless braille display support (which is quite
>>>>>> good, especially as it is the first braille support for iOS).
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>>>>> Ty
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