I have to agree and also, it may be getting time to consider upgrading above Jaws 6. Yeah, I know, it is expensive to upgrade. Frankly I can't afford to upgrade yet either. But in the meantime, I am saving the money I need and using the Jaws 9 demo when ever I need to. I also use the NVDA screen reader for certain things too, because all of the screen readers including Jaws have things that they do well and some that they don't. But if you are expecting a new product to work with an old version of a screen reader, you have two options. You can either upgrade, or learn to script for Jaws to get it to do the things you need it to do. Sad fact, but that is just the way the software industry works. You can't get Skype 3 to work on Windows 95 right? So yeah you either find an alternative or upgrade.
JohnPG search for all of your Jaws scripts at http://www.blindcrawler.com/Also be sure to check out Blind Crawler's Legend of the Green Dragon server at http://www.blindcrawler.com/lotg/
There will be more to come from Blind Crawler very soon. Administrator: John Greer Blind Crawler.com----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 2:44 PM Subject: Re: Next steps on Open Komodo
Hi Octavian, With Komodo up to version 4.2 as a programming editor, I think it is richer in features than you portray, including comparing respectably with TextPad. I just browsed the PDF user guide available at http://community.activestate.com/files/Komodo-IDE-4.2.pdf It includes bookmarks, running external commands, capturing output, and supporting different character encodings. Naturally, TextPad may have some features Komodo does not, but the reverse is also true. TextPad does not have the same level of support for dynamic languages like Perl, Python, and Ruby -- to the best of my knowledge. Instead of looking for one fault after another, why not also look for the good in a product? Although I also found some quirks with the JAWS cursor, I have generally found that Komodo works remarkably well with a screen reader for a product that has not made such compatibility a development focus. I have not previously encountered an IDE that is this accessible out of the box without any mention of accessibility being part of the goals of the product developers (Visual Studio and Eclipse developers specifically included this goal). Thus, I think the Mozilla Foundation deserves praise for developing accessible application components that others can incorporate. Let us encourage such efforts by studying such products in good faith, trying to find solutions to problems when possible, and pointing out what works as well as what does not. Regards, Jamal On Thu, 1 Nov 2007, Octavian Rasnita wrote:Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 17:53:37 +0200 From: Octavian Rasnita <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx> Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Next steps on Open KomodoYou should take from that discussion not only that it doesn't work with Jaws6, but that it has many features of TextPad missing.I compare it with TextPad, because it is the only text editor that does whatI want, however, even TextPad has some issues regarding the character encoding. Some features it would be nice to have are: - To be able to run the current program with any predefined command line with the current file as a parameter, and also allow adding parameters to the program like TextPad does; - To capture the STDOUT and STDERR in a new document window (or tab) andboth in the same window, and if the result is a program error with a certain line specified, to provide a hotkey for jumping to that line number in the source code. TextPad does this, but at least with Jaws cursor I wasn't ableto jump to that line.- To provide a combo box for choosing the character encoding of the documentand the end of line of the file in the "Save" dialog window. - To provide a hotkey for defining more bookmarks, one for jumping to the previous bookmark, one for jumping to the next one, one for deleting all bookmarks and one for deleting the current line bookmark.- to make it be more responsive and start faster. (Maybe coding it in C andnot Python)I have a Core 2 duo processor at 3 GHZ and 2 GB of Ram and a 10000 RPM hard disk, but it took many seconds just for starting a text editor, maybe morethan the time necessary to start Visual Studio 2005. - To be able to make different settings for different file types. Forexample I have set Text Pad to encode the text using Latin Central European and Windows end of line, and the .pl, .pm, .pod, and .tt files to use UTF-8encoding and Unix end of line, but many other settings can be made. This should be taken from that discussion, and maybe there are many other missing features in Commodo. Octavian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Leventhal" <aaronlev@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 4:24 PM Subject: Next steps on Open Komodo > What am I supposed to take away from the discussion? >> I read that it doesn't work with JAWS 6 (expected), but works pretty > well> with a current version of Window-Eyes. It would be good to find out how > well it works with JAWS 9. > > It would be good to start collecting lists of real bugs with up-to-date > screen reader versions. Any volunteers? > > - Aaron > __________ > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind__________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind
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