Re: Next steps on Open Komodo
- From: Jamal Mazrui <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 14:44:41 -0500 (EST)
Hi Octavian,
With Komodo up to version 4.2 as a programming editor, I think it is
richer in features than you portray, including comparing respectably with
TextPad. I just browsed the PDF user guide available at
http://community.activestate.com/files/Komodo-IDE-4.2.pdf
It includes bookmarks, running external commands, capturing output, and
supporting different character encodings. Naturally, TextPad may have
some features Komodo does not, but the reverse is also true. TextPad does
not have the same level of support for dynamic languages like Perl,
Python, and Ruby -- to the best of my knowledge.
Instead of looking for one fault after another, why not also look for the
good in a product? Although I also found some quirks with the JAWS
cursor, I have generally found that Komodo works remarkably well with a
screen reader for a product that has not made such compatibility a
development focus. I have not previously encountered an IDE that is this
accessible out of the box without any mention of accessibility being part
of the goals of the product developers (Visual Studio and Eclipse
developers specifically included this goal). Thus, I think the Mozilla
Foundation deserves praise for developing accessible application
components that others can incorporate. Let us encourage such efforts by
studying such products in good faith, trying to find solutions to problems
when possible, and pointing out what works as well as what does not.
Regards,
Jamal
On Thu, 1 Nov 2007,
Octavian Rasnita wrote:
> Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 17:53:37 +0200
> From: Octavian Rasnita <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
> Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Next steps on Open Komodo
>
> You should take from that discussion not only that it doesn't work with Jaws
> 6, but that it has many features of TextPad missing.
> I compare it with TextPad, because it is the only text editor that does what
> I want, however, even TextPad has some issues regarding the character
> encoding.
>
> Some features it would be nice to have are:
> - To be able to run the current program with any predefined command line
> with the current file as a parameter, and also allow adding parameters to
> the program like TextPad does;
>
> - To capture the STDOUT and STDERR in a new document window (or tab) and
> both in the same window, and if the result is a program error with a certain
> line specified, to provide a hotkey for jumping to that line number in the
> source code. TextPad does this, but at least with Jaws cursor I wasn't able
> to jump to that line.
>
> - To provide a combo box for choosing the character encoding of the document
> and the end of line of the file in the "Save" dialog window.
>
> - To provide a hotkey for defining more bookmarks, one for jumping to the
> previous bookmark, one for jumping to the next one, one for deleting all
> bookmarks and one for deleting the current line bookmark.
>
> - to make it be more responsive and start faster. (Maybe coding it in C and
> not Python)
> I have a Core 2 duo processor at 3 GHZ and 2 GB of Ram and a 10000 RPM hard
> disk, but it took many seconds just for starting a text editor, maybe more
> than the time necessary to start Visual Studio 2005.
>
> - To be able to make different settings for different file types. For
> example I have set Text Pad to encode the text using Latin Central European
> and Windows end of line, and the .pl, .pm, .pod, and .tt files to use UTF-8
> encoding and Unix end of line, but many other settings can be made.
>
> This should be taken from that discussion, and maybe there are many other
> missing features in Commodo.
>
> Octavian
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Aaron Leventhal" <aaronlev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 4:24 PM
> Subject: Next steps on Open Komodo
>
>
> > What am I supposed to take away from the discussion?
> >
> > I read that it doesn't work with JAWS 6 (expected), but works pretty well
> > with a current version of Window-Eyes. It would be good to find out how
> > well it works with JAWS 9.
> >
> > It would be good to start collecting lists of real bugs with up-to-date
> > screen reader versions. Any volunteers?
> >
> > - Aaron
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